xian Posted August 12, 2012 Share Posted August 12, 2012 [can't find the original discussion thread] So, here is proof - panzer III's are able to take a hit in the 'skirts' (sounds painful - I know). I remember someone mentioning that Panzer IIIs didn't have skirts during the Sicily campaign, so I'm not too sure if this is just an oversight or not. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted August 12, 2012 Share Posted August 12, 2012 xian, According to this http://www.militaryfactory.(usual)/armor/detail.asp?armor_id=75 , the Panzer III L was used extensively in North Africa and was the first Panzer III model fitted with Schuerzen. Since yours is a Panzer III M, you're good to go! Regards, John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xian Posted August 12, 2012 Author Share Posted August 12, 2012 Aha - that explains it then. So this PAnzer III is just visually missing its skirts - much like the various versions for PAnzer IVs in CMBN? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akd Posted August 12, 2012 Share Posted August 12, 2012 No, they likely did not have hull skirts in Sicily, and their absence is intentional. There are however skirts on the turret. Are you sure nothing hit the turret skirt? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Childress Posted August 12, 2012 Share Posted August 12, 2012 Damn. My girlfriend was looking over my shoulder as I was reading this thread. Now she thinks we're all crazy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noob Posted August 12, 2012 Share Posted August 12, 2012 If my tanks have skirts, i always look up them....help me !!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted August 12, 2012 Share Posted August 12, 2012 If skirts are shown visually, they are on the tank. If they are not shown, they are not on that tank. Remember, everything significant is shown 1:1. We looked into this issue quite extensively with the rather obtuse sources at out disposal. It was pretty clear to us that hull skirts were not present for Sicily. We found this to be similar to Normandy where entire formations were deployed without skirts, some with just turret, some with both. Remember, the skirts were explicitly designed to combat Soviet AT Rifles and were first employed starting around this time. With the emphasis on the Eastern Front it isn't surprising skirts were in short supply in Sicily. Well, at least for the tanks Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisND Posted August 12, 2012 Share Posted August 12, 2012 Internet sources for German equipment can be very misleading in the mid 1943 time frame. Much of the new equipment at that time, or even newish, was being used soley for the big Kursk event, and wasn't present elsewhere until later. But sources often don't mention this. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted August 12, 2012 Share Posted August 12, 2012 Looking into the topic myself I recall the phrase 'narrow roads' and 'low stone walls' were used a few times. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c3k Posted August 12, 2012 Share Posted August 12, 2012 The turrets and hulls for German tanks were frequently produced at different factories. The turret skirts were PART of the turret production. The hull skirts were an add-on, after production. (Meaning, either added on by the troops after a kit was sent to them, or done as one of the last steps after all the other hull work was done.) The turret skirts were made for ALL turrets which were produced after a certain date. (Not handy.) This led to a transition period when turrets had skirts and hulls did not. Sicily occurred during this transition period. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destraex1 Posted August 12, 2012 Share Posted August 12, 2012 If skirts are shown visually, they are on the tank. If they are not shown, they are not on that tank. Remember, everything significant is shown 1:1. We looked into this issue quite extensively with the rather obtuse sources at out disposal. It was pretty clear to us that hull skirts were not present for Sicily. We found this to be similar to Normandy where entire formations were deployed without skirts, some with just turret, some with both. Remember, the skirts were explicitly designed to combat Soviet AT Rifles and were first employed starting around this time. With the emphasis on the Eastern Front it isn't surprising skirts were in short supply in Sicily. Well, at least for the tanks Steve Are you trying to imply the Scottish or Greeks were in Sicily? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Lee Irked Posted August 12, 2012 Share Posted August 12, 2012 Are you trying to imply the Scottish or Greeks were in Sicily? Na, it's just corporate rhetoric, I'm sure he is just skirting the issue. This is quite obviously the 2012 version of The Emperors New Clothes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xian Posted August 12, 2012 Author Share Posted August 12, 2012 Are you sure nothing hit the turret skirt? Surely these 'turret skirts' are called something like `'collars' or 'ruffs' - I mean, who wears a skirt over their head? (don't answer that!) I will check to see if the round hit higher up than I first thought. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted August 12, 2012 Share Posted August 12, 2012 c3k, Now, that's groggy! Never knew turret skirts were factory installed. Regards, John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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