Stryker Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 It appears that to use the inherit MG in a US halftrack you need passengers to man it? Maybe I'm missing something, but I always thought a halftrack had a driver and machinegunner? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Statisoris Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 The US halftrack models below require additional personnel to man weapons. The M3, M3(M2HB) and M3A1 are fully manned without additional personnel. M3A1 (2 x MG) Needs 1 extra soldier to man the rear .30 cal M2A1 Needs 2 extra soldiers to man both the forward .50 cal and the rear .30 cal M3 (2 x MG) Needs 1 extra soldier to man the rear .30 cal M21 Mortar Halftrack Needs 1 extra soldier to man the forward .50 cal M4A1 Mortar Halftrack Needs 1 extra soldier to man the forward .30 cal 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stryker Posted November 16, 2011 Author Share Posted November 16, 2011 Learn something new all time, thanks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erwin Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 Finally, a use for the excess plethora of "XO's" and "HQ Support" units... (and beat up squads). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PLM2 Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 Or just split a scout team from a squad and mount them up 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erwin Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 So long as you don't split up full-strength squads, but use depleted ones. Esp if they have only rifles left. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wreck Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 Lots of the German halftracks have a similar thing: a MG but only a driver. Do you know if a radioless team in a track that has a radio is considered to be in C2 via the track? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Statisoris Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 Lots of the German halftracks have a similar thing: a MG but only a driver. Do you know if a radioless team in a track that has a radio is considered to be in C2 via the track? Yes, vehicle passengers can "borrow" the vehicle radio for a C2 link to their superiors. This is a good trick to use with dismounted type US Armored infantry platoon HQs. These platoon HQs do not come with their own backpack radio and so I sometimes buy them individual M20 scout cars to ride in and keep good C2 links. Having the M20 in the platoon also adds a M2 .50 cal support weapon for the platoon with lots of spare ammo. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt Schultz Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 Standing next to a radio vehicle is good enough to keep radio C2. If you can shout to the radio operator, he can relay the info. And as a german player, our hannomags almost never have a gunner. XOs, Tank Hunters, Scout Teams from a squad, and ammo bearers with no ammo to bear are all good gunner candidates. This gives you some cushion if the gunner gets picked off as well. Another steps up to take his place. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidFields Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 But, in real life, did those HT that need extra soldiers in CMBN actually come with someone to man the gun? Or is the answer: obviously no, and that is why CMBN units are the way they are. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 The US halftrack models below require additional personnel to man weapons. The M3, M3(M2HB) and M3A1 are fully manned without additional personnel. M3A1 (2 x MG) Needs 1 extra soldier to man the rear .30 cal M2A1 Needs 2 extra soldiers to man both the forward .50 cal and the rear .30 cal M3 (2 x MG) Needs 1 extra soldier to man the rear .30 cal M21 Mortar Halftrack Needs 1 extra soldier to man the forward .50 cal M4A1 Mortar Halftrack Needs 1 extra soldier to man the forward .30 cal Other than being a grog is there a way in the game that you can tell what vehicles needs how many men to man the guns? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt Schultz Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 You have to look at the little green dots. If the gunner dot(under the driver dot) is empty or missing, then you need to put another unit in the HT. If the original gunner is killed, anyone can step up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 But, in real life, did those HT that need extra soldiers in CMBN actually come with someone to man the gun? Or is the answer: obviously no, and that is why CMBN units are the way they are. It depends. Eg. German Panzergrenadier platoon SPW 250/1's only had the driver organic to them, but the halftracks would often give fire support to the dismounts which requires that one of them stays as a gunner. So in the mounted option the German Panzergrenadier squad is one man smaller than it really was, but the dismounted option has the full squad. The SPW 250/3's in the HQ units don't have gunners because the HQ teams are small enough already without splintering machinegunners from them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erwin Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 IIRC it's one of the many abstractions/compromises that CM2 system had to make. In RL, it's highly unlikely one would leave a prime support weapon essentially unmanned. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akd Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 If it meant otherwise decreasing the strength of your dismounted unit, you might. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisND Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 But, in real life, did those HT that need extra soldiers in CMBN actually come with someone to man the gun? Or is the answer: obviously no, and that is why CMBN units are the way they are. Sometimes they did have dedicated gunners, sometimes not, depends on the type of unit. That goes for pretty much all nationalities. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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