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This game, while good, is inferior to CMBB, despite the new graphics. CMBB covered 4 years of warfare, had TONS of different armies, and randomly generated quick battle maps. 10+ years after CMBB we have a three month time period, barely any armies, and set quick battle maps that become stale very, very fast. Red Thunder is a good game, sure, but it is nowhere near as good as CMBB was relative to the competition in 2002. 

This game, while good, is inferior to CMBB, despite the new graphics. CMBB covered 4 years of warfare, had TONS of different armies, and randomly generated quick battle maps. 10+ years after CMBB we have a three month time period, barely any armies, and set quick battle maps that become stale very, very fast. Red Thunder is a good game, sure, but it is nowhere near as good as CMBB was relative to the competition in 2002. 

This game, while good, is inferior to CMBB, despite the new graphics. CMBB covered 4 years of warfare, had TONS of different armies, and randomly generated quick battle maps. 10+ years after CMBB we have a three month time period, barely any armies, and set quick battle maps that become stale very, very fast. Red Thunder is a good game, sure, but it is nowhere near as good as CMBB was relative to the competition in 2002. 

you'll never get an impartial assessment out of north americans, what passes for the news there is nothing but propaganda. 

you'll never get an impartial assessment out of north americans, what passes for the news there is nothing but propaganda. 

Favorite Combat Mission since CMBB. I really enjoy Red Thunder too, but Black Sea is simply awesome. It might just be me, but it also seems like it's a little better optimized, too. 

Favorite Combat Mission since CMBB. I really enjoy Red Thunder too, but Black Sea is simply awesome. It might just be me, but it also seems like it's a little better optimized, too. 

Real life data suggests upper frontal hull of IS-2(M/Late?) ~240mm LOS. Penetrations by 88L/56 can only occur on the turret or the lower front hull. But the AI aims center mass. Tiger armor does not stop a 122mm round at any practical range. Tiger I, 0 : IS-2 1.

The 88mm has RoF advantage. 122mm has energy past armor advantage. Which means while the 88L/56 hits more often, more penetrating hits are needed to achieve a KO. Tiger I, 1 : IS-2, 2.

So in total: IS-2 > Tiger I.


It gets more interesting when comparing Tiger2 to IS-2. Neither can penetrate the other's upper frontal hull. Both can penetrate the other's lower frontal hull. The frontal turret of Tiger2 offers some resistence to the 122 round, resulting full to partial penetrations. The gun mantlet of Tiger2 provides no resistence against the 122mm at all (which is strange). The IS-2 turret provides no resistence against the 88L/71 round.

The 122mm round still has advantage on energy past armor but not much. The 88L/71 has a better RoF.

In total Tiger 2 > IS-2. (No points given because it's not as clear cut.)

All evidence drawn from in-game tests.

Because the front hull cannot be penetrated by an 88.

When engaging IS-2s distance is your friend. Their weakness is their slow rate of fire. For that to be a factor the IS-2 has to miss at least its first shot.

Favorite Combat Mission since CMBB. I really enjoy Red Thunder too, but Black Sea is simply awesome. It might just be me, but it also seems like it's a little better optimized, too. 

I had two platoons of Tigers engage two platoons of IS-2s from 800-600 yds. The result? Three IS-2s knocked out for the loss of all of my Tigers. Lots of 88 rounds bounced off the IS-2s and even when my Tigers scored a penetration that didn't always mean that they would succeed in knocking out the IS-2, while the IS-2s only needed to score one hit a Tiger to completely destroy it. I'm not sure I'll try to engage IS-2s head on with anything other than King Tigers from now on. 

 

module coming

Yes please. A module extending the scenario to cover a winter war would be most welcome!

We do need snow. Then my vehicles can get stuck and immobilised even more!
Also, snow camo/ACU options for US, RU and UKR troops!

that would be so awesome!  Let it snow!!
 
The day I can play Canadian Leopards in the snow vs Russian T-90s will be magical!

you'll never get an impartial assessment out of north americans, what passes for the news there is nothing but propaganda. 

you'll never get an impartial assessment out of north americans, what passes for the news there is nothing but propaganda.