37mm

Yeah and who wants bliss?

I want... Far more realistic smoke, mist & fog… I want signalling smoke, moving smoke clouds & dawn mist, burning tanks to obscure visibility, changing wind direction... The ability to see your battles in an operational context with 'some kind of' Operational map Ability to modify the 3d models, weapons values & effects that kind of thing. Make sure that the Mk VII battle-crabs armoured carapace is at least butter resistant

Somebody should really tell Boo that a Pak37 REALLY cannot penetrate a T-34 1000metres away…

... then we could have a problem. By any chance does the Governor of Minnesota have a moustache (they always lower midichlorian counts)?

Then you forget Arthur! He is fated to return in our darkest hour... how can you handle the combined forces of our fair Queen, King Arthur & err Grog Dorosh(?)

You forget your Northern border & our Canadian friends they (unlike certain other North American people) are loyal subjects and will never allow our fair Queen to be branded as a mere 'dictator'... or 'dictatoress' even

You forgot Northern Ireland… and France will never let you invade us… I think

Three times... three fecking times I’ve been denied, my threads closed, my rules forgotten… all of them were far better than this one (not difficult admittedly). My rules were poetry, beautiful hymns to celebrate our Pengful home... this Belgian has created a foul travesty, his words (or lack of them) mock us all, they shame his house, muddy the fine reputation of the beloved One Thread and grant the terrorists yet another victory but worst and most heinous of all they insult me … I ask, where are the backstabbing Bards, power hungry justicariesses & a malevolent Peng when Stickypixie starts a thread?

I know exactly what you mean… I don’t understand why the JS-2 suffers so badly from ‘partial turret penetrations’ but it does. The purpose of my tests was to see whether or not undead reindeer’s opinion that JS-2’s should defeat Panthers was a valid one (after losing so many JS-2’s to PzIV’s I thought that undead reindeer was talking a load of nonsense, turns out he wasn’t). As such I set up 1000 pt slugging matches in various situations at ‘usual’ combat ranges (800m-1000m)… the results in short 1000 points of JS-2’s (6 regular & 1 green) will smash up a 1000 pt’s of Panthers (5 regular) on flat terrain… cower is irritating but seems to lessen as more Panther brew up. 1000 points of HULL DOWN JS-2’s will be defeated by a 1000 points of Panthers… cower becomes debilitating. 1000 points of JS-2’s in flat terrain will completely annihilate 1000 points of HULL DOWN Panthers… the Panthers suffer awfully 1000 points of HULL DOWN JS-2’s will be defeated by 1000 pt’s of HULL DOWN Panthers… again cower debilitates the soviets. My conclusions from this are when handling JS-2’s (and for that matter Panthers) you should always engage HULL UP. From this conclusion stemmed my statement that ‘whack a mole’ was not the best way of handling JS-2’s, not because I’m saying it doesn’t work*, but because the JS-2’s seem to suffer from being hull down. My advice (based from these tests anyway) for engaging Panthers with JS-2’s is do it confidently, HULL UP and at ‘normal’ combat ranges, perhaps using smoke (on the panthers positions?) to get you ‘over the crest’… oh & prey that the Germans don’t have any Pak75’s otherwise they'll ‘partially penetrate your ass’. 63mm but very strongly sloped. It’s been discussed on other threads but the Panther actually suffers from being hull down (this problem is often discussed with regards to the T-34 & PzIV). It is easily tested a thousand points of T-34/85 will readily defeat a thousand points of Panthers but ONLY if the Panthers are HULL DOWN. HULL UP the Panthers come away victorious (if bloodied). *Clearly it does work, certainly for bigduke anyway.

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Running a few tests it seems that ‘Off the bat’ on flat terrain and at 800 -1000m combat ranges a thousand points of IS-2's will readily defeat a thousand points of Panthers (for comparison a thousand pt's of PzIV's will defeat a thousand pt's of IS-2's mainly through partial turret penetrations). However both tanks suffer from being hull down in CM, the same fights as above will end in total defeats for the soviets if the IS-2’s start hull down. Likewise the Panther’s wont survive for two minutes if they’re hull down. Conclusion: NEVER try the ‘whack a mole’ tactics. Instead if you’re going to take IS-2’s to defeat Panthers try to overwhelm them with numbers… use smoke to get the IS-2's ‘over the top’ of a hill crest & when the smoke clears start blasting away. All this does ignore the cheap STUG’s, PzIV’s and Pak75’s which can also readily knock out IS-2’s. [ August 19, 2005, 07:04 PM: Message edited by: Sir 37mm ]

July '43, rarity on 75mm IG 37 pts 150mm IG 74 pts Same date, rarity off (so presumably the ACTUAL value of these weapon systems) 75mm IG 31 pts 150mm IG 53 pts With rarity off you can pretty much get 3 150mm's for 5 75mm's.

And far cheaper?

Sorry about the dog OGSF Stormsubber, get im!

All who are owed turns have received them for I is generous

A Knight & his Serf AAR: A Messianic production Well I Sir 37mm (Aka Sir Sir 37mm, OFFICIAL Messiah of the One Thread & Primus idjit Maximus) have just finished the most extraordinary bust up with my new serf Stormsubber (aka Stormsewer & Belgian2), never before have I seen such ineptitude infact from now on I’ll describe Nidan1 not as the ‘Challenge thread whipping boy’ but as the ‘former Challenge thread whipping boy’… yes Stormsewer is THAT bad! Belgian2 has a perverse liking for entirely random quick battles presumably because it allows, every now & again, the insane mismatches that occurred in this fight. I had to pick an 800pt infantry force in Finland, July 41 for a meeting engagement… so I picked a couple of uberfinnish companies & got to it! Stormsubber had a mechanized force including infantry, artillery, five T-34’s & some tankettes… the terrain was unfortunately (for I) mostly flat farmland, the objectives however were placed in some central woods. So what happened next; did his tanks rush to the objectives & chew up my slowly advancing infantry? No… my infantry ‘outmanoeuvred’ his static forces & got to the objectives first in considerable strength (though several platoons were driven back by intense enemy fire). Okay so what happened next; did his tanks pound my infantry to dog-meat for kicks? No… the crazy bastiche sent in his infantry & a couple of tankettes to engage at point blank range my uberfinish, the ‘action’ was quickly finished by a hail of grenades & SMG fire Okay so what happened; next did he THEN try to suppress my infantry with tank fire? Actually yes he did… for a few turns anyway Okay so what happened next; did he cautiously probe my defences perhaps getting within canister range? No… he sent half his tanks into close assault range at different locations! A HAIL of grenades, close assaults & demo charges dealt with the ugly beasts finally forcing Stormsewer to surrender. Incredible, truly incredible! However he does send his turns in quickly…

God’s… who need’s ‘em, ey? Wouldn’t it be easier, oh mighty lord & apple of my eye, if the One Thread & the ‘eternally blasphemous’ thread each selected their own ‘champions’ who can then duel for us?

Stormsewer you fecked up little git your first task (and you should be damn grateful for it too idjit) is to send in an appropriate photo for the Justicar’s website... your second task is to prove yourself a greater serf than v42blows serf (Julie I think his name was), I don’t care how you do it (although I’d look kindly upon you if it includes high explosive) just do it!

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I'm sure there was a Beetles song about dogs or sumfink but instead here's... Picture yourself in a boat on a river With tangerine trees and marmalade skies. Somebody calls you, you answer quite slowly, A girl with caleidoscope eyes. Cellophane flowers of yellow and green Towering over your head. Look for the girl with the sun in her eyes And she's gone. Lucy in the sky with diamonds Lucy in the sky with diamonds Lucy in the sky with diamonds, ah, ah Follow her down to a bridge by a fountain where rocking horse people eat marshmallow pies. Everyone smiles as you drift past the flowers That grow so incredibly high. Newspaper taxis appear on the shore Waiting to take you away Climb in the back with your head in the clouds And you're gone. Lucy in the sky with diamonds Lucy in the sky with diamonds Lucy in the sky with diamonds, ah, ah Picture yourself on a train in a station With plasticine porters with looking glass ties, Suddenly someone is there at the turnstile, The girl with kaleidoscope eyes. Lucy in the sky with diamonds Lucy in the sky with diamonds Lucy in the sky with diamonds, ah, ah

Des Moines? What kinda place is that I asked myself, normally I’d just guess it was one of those countless foreign hellholes you people choose to inhabit. However this time I’ve knowledge to help me and more specifically the ‘1993 edition of Blogg & Petkins idiot’s encyclopaedia of non-English places’. A few extracts include… Arkansas; dry, population is less that lots but more than ‘a few’, should be avoided Columbia; near Argentina, best avoided Ecuador; see Columbia New Zealand; apparently named after its resemblance to old Zealand, like Wales… probably Luxemburg; probably evil, best avoided … and Des Moines? Des Moines; Bill Bryson lived here once… we assume he avoids it, so should you

You've the tactical acumen of Noba, the wit of Nidan1 & the 'pair' of v4.2blow ... in short you've not got what it takes to be a Knight of the Cesspool… but then again neither does anyone else around here. I'll take you on as serf however because you do return turns quickly Old foul Joe fill out the forms for me there’s a good chap?

I was going to ask whether or not you EVER intended to send my limey 'ass' a set-up or not... and now I have

I fish out trash for lunch then cast it adrift again?