Greup Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 smoke, dust and explosions work very well in the game. I do hope that smoke in CMBN is better portrayed than that of CMSF. Just look at that CMSF picture: The smoke columns tilt in different position and in that picture it seems like the smoke columns are sucked towards the center. It is a result of "camera"/viewpiont persepctive or are they really oriented that way? Although they work from a gaming perspective those comic book smoke columns really detracts from the sense of immersion. Then again for me WWII is so much more of an interesting setting than that modern CMSF one-sided stuff so just bring it! (Hm... Maybe a general wind direction per map would benefit the smoke animations? If kindling of fire + the spreading of fire à la (Advanced) Squad Leader is to become a future CM eye candy reality a wind direction is a prerequisite.) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisND Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 (Hm... Maybe a general wind direction per map would benefit the smoke animations? If kindling of fire + the spreading of fire à la (Advanced) Squad Leader is to become a future CM eye candy reality a wind direction is a prerequisite.) ... this already exists, and has since the beginning of CMSF. It's a very important consideration when laying down a smoke screen. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanzfeld Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 Everyone here talks about the man portable flamethrowers and how they are no big deal to the game and they can wait. I, for one, CANT WAIT for the flame spewing crocs and German flammer halftracks. I am reading "Company Commander" again and when the author is in the pillbox for 9 days and nights he is in constant fear of a flammer halftrack that was stalking the company that was there before him. <shudder> Like I have said, it is not JUST the weapons but also the buildings that burn and collapse and also the dry fields that burn and spread. That is what I am looking forward to! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destraex1 Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 u guys ever been investigated for fire bug syndrome? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Yeah, I think we have quite a few closet arsonists among us. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sequoia Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Myself, I'd rather see AA guns and on screen AA fire before flamethrowers/fire but to each his own. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nidan1 Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 When the god of hellfire decides to "bring it", I'm sure there will be fire. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acrashb Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 I, for one, CANT WAIT for the flame spewing crocs and German flammer halftracks. What he said. Channelizing attacks by lighting fire to woods or buildings, quickly routing pillboxes and entrenched troops, covering advances with long-term smokescreens, having a cottage burn when some fool touches-off a panzerfaust from inside. All needed to a) have that extra edge of fun and do a realistic simulation. Just call me sparky. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Deadmarsh Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Best use of flamethrowers was in Close Combat 2. I still remember cruising around in my Hetzerflammen lighting up enemy infantry. Damn, that was fun. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pak40 Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 I do hope that smoke in CMBN is better portrayed than that of CMSF. Just look at that CMSF picture: The smoke columns tilt in different position and in that picture it seems like the smoke columns are sucked towards the center. It is a result of "camera"/viewpiont persepctive or are they really oriented that way? The smoke columns appear sucked towards the center because they are blowing the opposite direction from where the snapshot was taken. Since some of the burning vehicles are left of the vanishing point of the perspective then the smoke tilts to the right for those vehicles. The vehicles to the right of the vanishing point of the perspective have smoke blowing slightly towards the center. There is one vehicle that appears to be exactly on the vanishing point and his smoke is completely vertical. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 ...covering advances with long-term smokescreens... That may be in. At least if the Shermans popping smoke in the AAR is a clue. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krilly Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 That may be in. At least if the Shermans popping smoke in the AAR is a clue. Michael In all honesty, from the aar's and previews it feels that units in CMBN are a bit to 'modern' at using smoke. We'll see how it is in the full game though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nidan1 Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 In all honesty, from the aar's and previews it feels that units in CMBN are a bit to 'modern' at using smoke. We'll see how it is in the full game though. What do you mean by "too modern" (sic). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 What do you mean by "too modern" (sic). Perhaps the question is whether it was used that much in WW II. I know that most Allied tanks were equipped with smoke candles or mortars, but I can hardly recall a single incident where they are mentioned as being used. More or less the same for the Germans. The Soviet tanks with their diesel engines produced so much smoke in normal operation that they scarcely needed any additional smoke production, but ISTR that they had a device that would spray either fuel or oil on the hot exhaust pipe to make more. But again, I have no information on whether or how often that was used operationally. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krilly Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 What do you mean by "too modern" (sic). Basically what Micheal said. I feel that smoke for vehicles was not as common as it is now, standard smoke dischargers appeared in the later part war for the germans for example. In the QB all the shermans popped smoke after being fired upon. Although interesting from a game standpoint, I wonder if it really was such an ingrained reaction in ww2 already. I seem to recall reading more about allied armor shooting smoke then popping smoke. All this from gut feeling, not backed by research 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Deadmarsh Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 So...will fire be able to be used as a weapon in the upcoming modules? I know from my days of playing CC2 that flame tanks were a part of Market Garden and I'm sure flame throwers were somewhat prevalent too. What's the word on this? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanonier Reichmann Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 I'm with you. I'm guessing that the reason why it's taking so long to model fire is due to the difficulty in determining what the effects fire has on various AFV's, since it doesn't penetrate armour as such. It's more what the effects on morale would be on a tank crew should their AFV be hit and whether it was susceptible to allowing fire into the engine compartment for potentially catastrophic outcomes. Still, I for one will be very disappointed if the likes of Crocodiles, Wasps & German flamethrower halftracks can't be modelled by the time Battlefront are portraying warfare in the West come September 1944 onwards. Regards KR 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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