Stalins Organ Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 Hang on a sec...why would a black hole absorbing matter "explode"? If it doesn't have Hawking Radiation then it would jsut keep absorbing matter wouldn't it? What is the mechanism that causes black holes to "explode"? Of course even the existance of micro-black holes is itself conjecture. and given that the source of the article is the Sun (despite the guy worried about it being real and fairly well qualified to comment in a genericly academic sort of way) it sesm a bit pointless to worry about somethinh that may not happen to something that may not exist in case an unproven theory is wrong. plus I can't find anything about 12 mt explosions connected with black holes micro or otherwise. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwolf Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 Hang on a sec...why would a black hole absorbing matter "explode"? If it doesn't have Hawking Radiation then it would jsut keep absorbing matter wouldn't it? What is the mechanism that causes black holes to "explode"? Of course even the existance of micro-black holes is itself conjecture. and given that the source of the article is the Sun (despite the guy worried about it being real and fairly well qualified to comment in a genericly academic sort of way) it sesm a bit pointless to worry about somethinh that may not happen to something that may not exist in case an unproven theory is wrong. plus I can't find anything about 12 mt explosions connected with black holes micro or otherwise. Megatons, not millitons http://arxiv.org/pdf/0808.1415v1.pdf 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stalins Organ Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 What's 9 degrees of magnitude between skeptics?! I see your doomsday and raise you "nuclear collisions with larger energies take place regularly as cosmic rays rain down on our atmosphere -- so if a disaster were possible, it would have already occurred". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pak_43 Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 Personally I'll be looking out for the f**k off mutant monsters after the experiment... You doubt me? Check it out... http://www.crfh.net/other/half.jpg 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonS Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 Speaking of which ... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSgt Viljuri Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 For theoretically inclined, this paper is approachable about what this all means: On the Eve of the LHC: Conceptual questions in high-energy physics by Alexei Grinbaum 'Meaning', aka philosophy, is generally not very well received in physics community (Feynman, Weinberg et al), but this paper is more like a draft guide what to expect in the near future and how validiation/rejection of different theories, hypotheses, proposals might go ahead, thanks to the LHC and CERN. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoolaman Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 There's a big article about it in New Scientist magazine, and apparently there is a very good possibility that nothing new at all will be observed. If that were the case I would laugh pretty hard. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 SSgt Viljuri, That was fun and educational, even though rap's not my thing! Regards, John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 Affentitten, Since you asked, it's my view that we've been very fortunate, given the cavalier attitude of scientists who play with ill understood things despite very real risks to all of us. See, for example, the comments made before the first standard history atomic test and the first H-bomb test relative to combusting the atmosphere. See also such things as deliberately covertly releasing nuclear radiation from Hanford into the environment to "see where it would go," Russian advanced biowarfare agents that have escaped into the local rodent population via a drain pipe, etc. (shudders) JonS, Brilliant cartoon! Regards, John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REVS Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 Actually, I've got a theory about Super Novae. Every couple of hundred years, another advanced civilisation on another plant in another solar system gets up to the point where its scientists build a really large and dangerous particle physics experiment. It seems that this has been a sticking point with intelligent life ever since 4004BC. They always discover particle physics, always do their experiments fairly well, but unsatisfactorily, and so they inevitably build one of these enormous planet-destroying f****rs. Not one civilisation has so far said to themselves" "no, it's too risky, let's not do it". It's not just the planet that blows up, but it sucks in the nearby star and whammo! Super Nova! God is really pissed off about this bug in his intelligent life software. He's tried all sorts of patches but it keeps on coming back each time, via a different route. Anyway, that's my theory. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwolf Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 Affentitten, Since you asked, it's my view that we've been very fortunate, given the cavalier attitude of scientists who play with ill understood things despite very real risks to all of us. See, for example, the comments made before the first standard history atomic test and the first H-bomb test relative to combusting the atmosphere. See also such things as deliberately covertly releasing nuclear radiation from Hanford into the environment to "see where it would go," Russian advanced biowarfare agents that have escaped into the local rodent population via a drain pipe, etc. Who has to go to Russia? The guy who recently committed suicide after having probably been found the one who mailed Antrax around after 9/11. Have you read the report? They found Antrax all over the office space of that facility. Not surprising after handling it for decades, but still, I remember a time when people were horrified of the thought of birds flying from an "Antrax island" to a populated area. (shudders) JonS, Brilliant cartoon! Regards, John Kettler That one be on my office wall for the month 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stalins Organ Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 Not one civilisation has so far said to themselves" "no, it's too risky, let's not do it". Of course they have - those are all the suns that do NOT go super-nova. sheesh..... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stalins Organ Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 So what's actually likely to happen tomorrow? the fire it up....accelerate a couple of protons to near light speed....smash them together....and then spend a few months doing the math to see what happened before announcing something that no-one outside Nobel laureates understands? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoFarmer Posted September 9, 2008 Author Share Posted September 9, 2008 So what's actually likely to happen tomorrow? They're going to do various tests for about a month before they actually try to collide stuff. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedy Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 Are we there yet? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtweasle Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 Apparently "Little Kim" had a stroke overnight. Nothing like a crazy commie with damaged brain and ready access to nuclear weapons to move the old doomsday clock. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSgt Viljuri Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 One, two... One, two. Just checking that we have not caused any unnoticed, minor damage: Is the Other side still with us?Talking about Ozzies, sheep and Kangaroos? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogface Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 Just check here: http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeknodathon Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 Do sing along... The Large Hadron Rap Twenty-seven kilometers of tunnel under ground Designed with mind to send protons around A circle that crosses through Switzerland and France Sixty nations contribute to scientific advance Two beams of protons swing round, through the ring they ride ‘Til in the hearts of the detectors, they’re made to collide And all that energy packed in such a tiny bit of room Becomes mass, particles created from the vacuum And then… LHCb sees where the antimatter’s gone ALICE looks at collisions of lead ions CMS and ATLAS are two of a kind They’re looking for whatever new particles they can find. The LHC accelerates the protons and the lead And the things that it discovers will rock you in the head. We see asteroids and planets, stars galore We know a black hole resides at each galaxy’s core But even all that matter cannot explain What holds all these stars together – something else remains This dark matter interacts only through gravity And how do you catch a particle there’s no way to see Take it back to the conservation of energy And the particles appear, clear as can be You see particles flying, in jets they spray But you notice there ain’t nothin’, goin’ the other way You say, “My law has just been violated – it don’t make sense! There’s gotta be another particle to make this balance.” And it might be dark matter, and for first Time we catch a glimpse of what must fill most of the known ‘Verse. Because… LHCb sees where the antimatter’s gone ALICE looks at collisions of lead ions CMS and ATLAS are two of a kind They’re looking for whatever new particles they can find. Antimatter is sort of like matter’s evil twin Because except for charge and handedness of spin They’re the same for a particle and its anti-self But you can’t store an antiparticle on any shelf Cuz when it meets its normal twin, they both annihilate Matter turns to energy and then it dissipates When matter is created from energy Which is exactly what they’ll do in the LHC You get matter and antimatter in equal parts And they try to take that back to when the universe starts The Big Bang – back when the matter all exploded But the amount of antimatter was somehow eroded Because when we look around we see that matter abounds But antimatter’s nowhere to be found. That’s why… LHCb sees where the antimatter’s gone ALICE looks at collisions of lead ions CMS and ATLAS are two of a kind They’re looking for whatever new particles they can find. The LHC accelerates the protons and the lead And the things that it discovers will rock you in the head. The Higgs Boson – that’s the one that everybody talks about. And it’s the one sure thing that this machine will sort out If the Higgs exists, they ought to see it right away And if it doesn’t, then the scientists will finally say “There is no Higgs! We need new physics to account for why Things have mass. Something in our Standard Model went awry.” But the Higgs – I still haven’t said just what it does They suppose that particles have mass because There is this Higgs field that extends through all space And some particles slow down while other particles race Straight through like the photon – it has no mass But something heavy like the top quark, it’s draggin’ its *** And the Higgs is a boson that carries a force And makes particles take orders from the field that is its source. They’ll detect it…. LHCb sees where the antimatter’s gone ALICE looks at collisions of lead ions CMS and ATLAS are two of a kind They’re looking for whatever new particles they can find. Now some of you may think that gravity is strong Cuz when you fall off your bicycle it don’t take long Until you hit the earth, and you say, “Dang, that hurt!” But if you think that force is powerful, you’re wrong. You see, gravity – it’s weaker than Weak And the reason why is something many scientists seek They think about dimensions – we just live in three But maybe there are some others that are too small to see It’s into these dimensions that gravity extends Which makes it seem weaker, here on our end. And these dimensions are “rolled up” – curled so tight That they don’t affect you in your day to day life But if you were as tiny as a graviton You could enter these dimensions and go wandering on And they'd find you... When LHCb sees where the antimatter’s gone ALICE looks at collisions of lead ions CMS and ATLAS are two of a kind They’re looking for whatever new particles they can find. The LHC accelerates the protons and the lead And the things that it discovers will rock you in the head. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stalins Organ Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 b*gg*r...apparently the Yanks still exist!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris London Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 apparently the LHC caused a time portal to open and transport lance armstrong back into professional cycling along with Floyd Landis 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Other Means Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 Just check here: http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com/ Check the HTML source - quite funny. Apparently, the tunnel through the LHC is about 3cm around. So all that huge tunnel is magnets. Cooool. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogface Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 Yeah Other Means, that made me chuckle also. <!-- if the lhc actually destroys the earth & this page isn't yet updated please email mike@frantic.org to receive a full refund --> What gets refunded? The cost of the lhc? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Other Means Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 I like if (!(typeof worldHasEnded == "undefined")) { document.write("YUP."); } else { document.write("NOPE."); } 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 Are we there yet? Yes. The world ended, the universe blew up and everything. Did you sleep through it? Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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