vincere Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 Is this in preparation for some future anounced new feature of ammo sharing? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roter Stern Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 Perhaps those squads have a 7.62 LMG with them? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SgtMuhammed Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 I think it is just a standard template thing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Classic88 Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 Most of the squads carry the SAW (5.56) and not A GPMG(7.62). Could be for use with the vehicle CO-AX. I always load my snipers up with it... just cause I wonder if movement or stamina are affected by the making the squads take extra ammo/AT wpns. Is there a way to split the amount of ammo a squad takes with it? Keith 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincere Posted February 12, 2008 Author Share Posted February 12, 2008 Most of the squads carry the SAW (5.56) and not A GPMG(7.62). That is my unspoken point. Could be for use with the vehicle CO-AX Don't buy that, and vehicles dont use sqad ammo. Is there a way to split the amount of ammo a squad takes with it? No, but I think it would be really useful to be able to 'unaquire' ammo and javelin etc. And drop ammo to make an ammo point or something. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 I'll double check this, but there should be no ammo carried for weapons not organic to that particular unit. So a US Rifle Squad should not have 7.62 unless specifically instructed to pick it up out of a vehicle. What I think you're getting confused about is that the 2nd ammo icon is for the SAW/LMG, and it isn't necessarily a different caliber from the standard Squad weapons. In a US Squad the SAW is 5.56 just like the M4 rifle, but the ammo is belted and not in magazines. You can't go swapping the two ammo types back and forth in any sort of a practical way during a firefight. So it's tracked differently even if the caliber is the same. Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincere Posted February 12, 2008 Author Share Posted February 12, 2008 Ok Steve some of that makes sense, but I think there are a couple of continuity issues. 1. if we acquire 5.56 ammo it only fills the first ammo column. 2. If we acquire 7.62 ammo with US squad it fills the second column. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 I had a fit with this awhile ago over Red ammo. i could never purchase the AK guys with any small arms ammo in the ammo bar. It was eventually explained to me first bar was 'little bullet' regardless of type and second bar was 'big bullet' regardless of type. The old AKM was classed with the 'big bullet' while AK-74 was 'little bullet'. To confuse things more, I think the big .50 cal sniper rifle and Red HMG tracks its ammo in the 'big bullet' bar though its considerably bigger than wimpy 7.62 rounds. I don't know what happens when a HMG team also carries AKMs! In other words, the game tracks weapons loadouts more accurately "under the hood" than in those simplified bar charts. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 Hehe... I made that last post just before I headed out for the day. About 10 minutes after the post I realized that what I said was an earlier design that never made it into the game! Doh What most people don't know is not only did I design the bulk of CM:SF, but pretty much everything in the game went through a dozen revisions before winding up the way you see it today. Sometimes I get myself confused about what which version actually made it into the game.This happens sometimes guys... sorry! The first ammo icon should be "small arms" ammo, which is generally the 5.56 and Soviet 5.45 and 7.62x39. The second ammo icon is the heavier 7.62 ammos found in MMGs and some other specialized weapons. So by default no US Squad that I can think of should be carrying around ammo in that second group. If someone sees one, please let me know EXACTLY what the formation is and I'll try to track it down. Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flanker15 Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 Can you tells us what the little ammo icons for air support are? It just has a bunch of shell icons with no names. Since there's no detailed stats for the aircraft like Cmx1 it's a bit hard to tell what they are. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itael Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 Very good points, The addition of "Tooltips" for the weapon icons was a great addition to 1.05. If BFC can make tooltips for the ammo screen it will solve all the questions and misunderstandings. Itai 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meach Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 Three cheers for more tool-tips!! Herring! Herring! Herring! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 "The first ammo icon should be "small arms" ammo, which is generally the 5.56... ...and 7.62x39." Emphasis on the word 'should'. My Combatants fire their AKMs and the 'big bullet' bar goes down. I think if you go to a BMP and 'acquire' 7.62 ammo it replenishes their AKM ammo stocks and is reflected in the second 'big bullet' bar. Not entirely sure about this, I've only 'acquired' Red ammo twice since the patch came out. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincere Posted February 13, 2008 Author Share Posted February 13, 2008 Steve, appologies, oh my bad. Just checked this (can't play wego substantially until 1.07) and found no ammo in heavier calibre column for US squads. My mistake because my son had loaded 7.62 by mistake while we were playing co-op. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 Yes, more tool tips would be welcome by all, I'm sure We'll get them in there eventually! MikeyD... you know, you might be correct. This was one of those features which Charles implemented in a way that made sense to him and not necessarily as I designed it. With all the stuff swirling around in my poor gray gush I could very well be wrong how it wound up. Actually, come to think of it I think you're right. Vincere... good to hear, actually The internal TO&E system is rather complicated. Tracking down something like this using the "hunt and peck" method is tedious, so I try to avoid it if possible Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt Joch Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 I used to load up my troops with 7.62 mm ammo until I realized they did not have a weapon which could use it. :eek: One thing we eventually have to get in CMx2 is an un- acquire button, so we can unload stuff we don't need or picked up by mistake. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlapHappy Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 I think he is correct, Steve, the current implementation causes 7.62 ammo to replenish the second ammo bar. Even for squads that can't use it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 Oh definitely you can load up on something you don't need and it will show up in the unit's ammo count. As Sgt.Joch said there should be a "Drop" command of some sort. It's on a list somewhere but I'll put it on my current one. Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 vincere, U.S. squads used to have an M60 LMG, and I believe the SEALS still do for heavy, cover penetrating firepower. Not sure about Marine Force Recon. If left in, the feature offers some exciting possibilities. Regards, John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincere Posted February 14, 2008 Author Share Posted February 14, 2008 John Kettler, yes and maybe in the future squads might be able to carry it to latter distrubute to M240. By the way, anybody know if any US platoons, companies of Btns regularly use .50 mgs dismounted? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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