mav1 Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 I have made a list of German Afv's in NW europe. Let me know if I have missed something out or added something that dosn't belong in the list. Panzer 1 Ausf C Panzer II Ausf A,B,C,F Luchs Marder II Wespe Marder III 7.62 Marder III Early Marder III Late 38T Grille 33 38T Grille 33/1 Flak 38T Aufklarer 38T Hetzer Hetzer Flamm Hetzer SIG Panzer III G,H,J short,J short Late Panzer III J Long Early, J Long Late Panzer III L, M, M Late, N, N Late Stug F, F Late, F/8, G Early, G Early Middle Stug G Middle, G Late Middle, G Late Stug 10.5 Early, Middle, Late Panzer IV F2, G Early, G Middle, G Late, H, J Brummbar Early, Midlle, Late Stug IV Early, Late Jagd IV Early, Late Jagd IV/70 V Jagd IV/70 A Nashorn Hummel Mobelwagen Wirblewind Ostwind Panther D Early, Late Panther A Early, Late Panther G Early, Late Jagdpanther Early, Middle, Late Tiger Early, Middle, Late Sturmmoser Tiger King Tiger Porsche Turrent King Tiger Henshel Turrent JagdTiger Sd Kfz 250 1,7,8,9,10.11 Sd Kfz 251 1,2,9,10,16,17,21,22,23 Sd Kfz 251/17 Lufftwaffe Version Maultier Flak SWS Flak SD Kfz 10/4 Early, Late SD Kfz 7/1 Early, Late Sd Kfz 6/2 Sd Kfz 7/2 Earlt, Late Sd Kfz 221 Late Sd Kfz 222 Early, Late Sd Kfz 223 Early, Late Sd Kfz 231 Early, Late Sd Kfz 232 Early, Late Sd Kfz 233 Sd Kfz 263 Sd Kfz 234/1,2,3,4 Lorraine 7.5 Lorraine 10.5 Lorraine 15 Char B-1 Char B-1 Bis Char B-1 Flamm Char 10.5 Hotchkiss H-35,38.39 Hotchkiss 7.5 Hotchkiss 10.5 Renault R-35,40 Renault 4.7 Renault 8cm Mortar FCM 36 10.5 FCM 36 7.5 Renault UE MG Renault UE 3.7cm Kegress HT Somua HT Somua HT 7.5 Panhard P-178 Panhard P-178 Radio Panhard P-178 5cm Matilda 5.0 Mark IV 10.5 Bren 3.7 Bren 2cm Flak Bren Panzerjager Van Doorne AC [ July 07, 2006, 05:26 AM: Message edited by: mav1 ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellfish Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 The point of this being? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mav1 Posted July 7, 2006 Author Share Posted July 7, 2006 Originally posted by fytinghellfish: The point of this being? Because it's fun 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogface Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 Ya but what does it have to do with CM:sf ?? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oren_m Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 Originally posted by Dogface: Ya but what does it have to do with CM:sf ?? Exactly! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mav1 Posted July 10, 2006 Author Share Posted July 10, 2006 Originally posted by Dogface: Ya but what does it have to do with CM:sf ?? AS the post for the forum for shock force states, if you want to make a comment on the future cmX2 title in nw europe you can do it on the shock force forum> Since most of the things done in shock force will be relevant for nw europe. There will be some modification's for NW europe but most of the work will be already done in shock force. As the post states if you want to make remarks about what you want to see in cmx2 titles not just shock force, but NW europe as well do it now in the shock force forum, as there will be little time for modifiction's afterwards. I was rash in doing this list, but the developers could be making up their minds on what afv's to include. The point of this list is to say that you can include all the afv's used in Mw europe even though the graphic's are going to be more complex. A lot of the vehicles are replicas with changes in armnament (for the graphical image) such as the pzIV, STug's, pvIII, Sd kfz 251 and Panthers. The developers have a unique oppotunity to include all the afv's used in ww2, as no game I know of has ever achieved this. They came close in cmbb but they slacked of in cmaf, where they left of a lot of italian afv's uded by the Italians and Germans plus a number of British armoured cars. They won't include all the afv's, but I think this is an opportuny missed as a greater effort would achieve this. It would't bother me if this would delay the game for six months. As I would play this game for years with the satisfaction that all the afv's were included. But I know the rest of you would not want wait this long, some want the game now. This also applies to shock force, all the afv's will not be included that are used by the allies and the syrians. Even though there are less models to create than in a ww2 game. For me this would be a great oppunity missed. I doubt any one would agree with me on this. It must be just me since am a completist at heart, always thinking, what a same that was'nt included in the game 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mace Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 Yeh but isn't the new CM going to be more focussed? ie the WW2 based CMx2 will be providing scenarios concentrating on a particular battle or campaign rather than providing scenarios for anywhere in Western Europe from 1944 on (as CMBO did). Hence an extensive unit list of every AFV that was used in the Western Front is probably not required (and probably wont be modelled). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runyan99 Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 This list is pointless. BFC has stated several times that the next game in the CM series after CM:SF will cover the French and Indian War 1754-1763. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pvt. Ryan Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 I am going to compile a list of German AFVs in the Ohio Valley. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaska. Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 Originally posted by Runyan99: BFC has stated several times that the next game in the CM series after CM:SF will cover the French and Indian War 1754-1763. Boohoo. I wanted hot action in WW2. With Maus-tanks and big guns. I want to have big guns slathering enemies in hot, molten TNT. BTS, please fix or do sumfink. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 Originally posted by mav1: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by fytinghellfish: The point of this being? Because it's fun </font> 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 Don't be unkind, this board was suffering a near-death experience awhile ago. I'm happy to see ANY post on ANY topic, just to stir the pot a little! Now that actual CMSF info is finally starting to trickle in again maybe pretty soon we'll be able to actually have informed discussions on the topic we all come here to see discussed - Bradley 25mm SLAP penetration stats! [ July 11, 2006, 07:13 AM: Message edited by: MikeyD ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mav1 Posted July 12, 2006 Author Share Posted July 12, 2006 Originally posted by Runyan99: This list is pointless. BFC has stated several times that the next game in the CM series after CM:SF will cover the French and Indian War 1754-1763. Where did you read this? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mav1 Posted July 12, 2006 Author Share Posted July 12, 2006 Originally posted by Pvt. Ryan: I am going to compile a list of German AFVs in the Ohio Valley. Where is it then? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mav1 Posted July 12, 2006 Author Share Posted July 12, 2006 Originally posted by Michael Emrys: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mav1: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by fytinghellfish: The point of this being? Because it's fun </font> 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mav1 Posted July 12, 2006 Author Share Posted July 12, 2006 Originally posted by Mace: Yeh but isn't the new CM going to be more focussed? ie the WW2 based CMx2 will be providing scenarios concentrating on a particular battle or campaign rather than providing scenarios for anywhere in Western Europe from 1944 on (as CMBO did). Hence an extensive unit list of every AFV that was used in the Western Front is probably not required (and probably wont be modelled). But does that make it a good idea? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 Originally posted by MikeyD: Don't be unkind...Who's being unkind? I like teenagers. Teenaged girls anyway. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pvt. Ryan Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 Originally posted by mav1: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Pvt. Ryan: I am going to compile a list of German AFVs in the Ohio Valley. Where is it then? </font> 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mav1 Posted July 12, 2006 Author Share Posted July 12, 2006 Originally posted by Pvt. Ryan: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mav1: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Pvt. Ryan: I am going to compile a list of German AFVs in the Ohio Valley. Where is it then? </font> 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl Grey Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 Apart from that, THERE IS NO SUCH THING as late/early model Panther D's. Common misinterpretation of the photographic evidence we have. But a lot of people still think there were and most of the books on the topic still claim it. So why bother? By the way: Did you know the Jagdpanther had very good aerodynamics and therefore the other tanks were so impressed by his looks they coudn't turn away? <- That's something a book of a so-called 'expert' claims... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mav1 Posted July 19, 2006 Author Share Posted July 19, 2006 Originally posted by Earl Grey: Apart from that, THERE IS NO SUCH THING as late/early model Panther D's. Common misinterpretation of the photographic evidence we have. But a lot of people still think there were and most of the books on the topic still claim it. So why bother? By the way: Did you know the Jagdpanther had very good aerodynamics and therefore the other tanks were so impressed by his looks they coudn't turn away? <- That's something a book of a so-called 'expert' claims... I don't blame the other tanks, the Jagdpanther is a very attractive Tank. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl Grey Posted July 21, 2006 Share Posted July 21, 2006 But the real question is: will attractiveness be modelled in the new engine? Will we get the option to pimp our tanks? Like Hifi, chromed engine grilles, spoilers, spinners on teh roadwheels... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Dorosh Posted July 21, 2006 Share Posted July 21, 2006 Originally posted by Michael Emrys: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by MikeyD: Don't be unkind...Who's being unkind? I like teenagers. Teenaged girls anyway. Michael </font> 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenris Posted July 22, 2006 Share Posted July 22, 2006 ^ Heh, funniest thing I seen all day 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl Grey Posted July 22, 2006 Share Posted July 22, 2006 Just what you need to relax... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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