The Tanklord Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 Originally posted by Steiner14: One exciting aspect seems to be, that it's not just programming spaghetti-code with dry algorithms and calling subroutines, but it's about modelling the real world into classes and objects (you create indeed the object "tank", or "soldier"). Then you give the objects attributes and capabilities, they send messages, do something and receive messages from other objects. And if you need a more specified object, they can inherit their capabilities. ... I really dont see anything that will persuade someone who rather diggs trenches . The "dry" algorithms are mostly the same and still needs to be implemented. And if we are talking c++ OOP with some problems of its own. Memory leaks, null pointer dereferencing, deleting objects more than once etc. I'm not saying its bad or anything, just don't really see how it is a "solution" for the "rather dig trenches" crowd. (assuming they would want to program if it were more gratifying than digging trenches) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwolf Posted August 26, 2007 Author Share Posted August 26, 2007 You people will love this - I hate object-oriented programming, too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewood Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 Is that any thing like FORTRAN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 Janster, Wow, Elmfudd. I think he proved a point, and that you just basically got your ass handed to you. Haha talk about bitter child.Do you REALLY want to be here, or would you rather be uninvited to this Forum? I've warned you several times before... if you are just here to be a troll, you have no business being here. I don't know if you really are a 12 year old, but you are certainly postingly like a badly behaved one. If I see you do another "drive by slam" like this again, you're out of here. Get it? Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zepheris Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 well as it is the problem does show up even with move or slow even... i noticed this from mission1 of the campaign, where my abrams do the circle dance of death while showing the T-72s it's ass so it can get knocked out... hopefully 1.03 helps in regard of this and with the unit response TacAI, if i get those 2 i think i can finally enjoy the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 We definitely nabbed the major cause of the "overshoot" problem. However, it is entirely possible that there is some other reason for the behavior that we haven't yet identified. This is the problem with having such a complex environment. There can be overlapping problems that appear as a single bug but really are several. We also have the opposite, too, where lots of apparently differnet bugs are because of a single problem. Which is why so many people are saying that programming is a lot of fun Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenAsJade Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 Originally posted by Battlefront.com: GaJ, </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />If not, this is what pisses me off about BFC. So slow to acknowledge supportive efforts.I think the correct response I'm looking for here is "Dude, chill out!". When was this thread started? Less than 12 hours from the time I am typing this and 6 hours before my first response. Steve </font> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dischord Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 ***ATTN! Thread summary follows: A)There's a path following bug in patch 1.02, at any speed setting. Developer acknowledges the bug and mentions an improvement in movement for patch 1.03. C)5.5 pages of whinging --Today's summary brought to you by "DISCHORD", giving you your life back, one post at a time. --Look for more thread summaries in pages 5 or 6 of long meandering threads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wunwinglow Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 Just wondering, what happens if you only have one end point to the move? Presumably if the ground is flat, the vehicle will follow a straight line to the endpoint, ignoring the road? Or will it follow the road because that is the smoothest ride? If there were walls or buildings intervening, so it HAD to follow the road, what would it do? It would be very handy to have a 'follow the roadway' command, and maybe 'a follow that other vehicle at 2/4/8 second interval' command as well..... Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 GreenAsJade, Even more ironic in this case, now it emerges you are fixing it, so it must have been worthwhile.Ah... no. We ALREADY fixed it before Redwolf even started this thread. That's why my first two responses were brief. I didn't even read the whole thing until later just to make sure I didn't miss. We didn't, so pardon me for not stroking Redwolf's ego for your benefit. So I'll say again... what the heck is your problem? Dog run over by the milkman or somefink? Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melnibone Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 Originally posted by GreenAsJade: I'm sorry, but that doesn't address the issue.It's not THE issue...it's YOUR issue. The issue for most people is the bug being fixed. Surely time is better spent on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easytarget Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 you know what i like about the quote feature, everyone around here uses it to pick some piece of what someone wrote and then respond to it, usually missing or ignoring the general point of the post they are responding to it's nothing more than the forum equivalent of a straw man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenAsJade Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 Yes, it was the issue *I* was raising, and it was THE issue that was being responded to in the post I quoted. Sure, it's great that the bug is being fixed. How many BFC posts did it take to acknowledge it? I reckon time would have been better spent on one line saying "thanks for the PR, we're working on this problem"... then working on it, or others. What did you take away from all those words about how bugs can be easier or harder than we think? Were they better use of time? GaJ [ August 26, 2007, 02:43 PM: Message edited by: GreenAsJade ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melnibone Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 Originally posted by GreenAsJade: How many BFC posts did it take to acknowledge it?I don't really care. It's only a game. I have far more important things to get excited about - like trying to get my daughter to clear out all the soft toys she has cloaked my monitor with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmar Bijlsma Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 GaJ, I get the feeling you think BFC need to explain themselves to you. This is not the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 GaJ, I'm not here to stroke people's egos and make them feel all special inside. I'm here to find out what the problems are and to get them fixed as quickly as Humanly possible. I'm sorry if that isn't good enough for you. Though why you care so bleeding much is beyond me. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Letsbe Ave. Posted August 27, 2007 Share Posted August 27, 2007 Hm, Signal-to-Noise is rather worse these days. Lots of 'sick-and-tired' people... Reminds me of: http://arago4.tnw.utwente.nl/stonedead/main.html "I certainly am not. And I'm sick-and-tired of being told that I am." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenAsJade Posted August 27, 2007 Share Posted August 27, 2007 Funny how one person's common courtesy is another person's ego stroking? Why do I care? Because I like the games you make and want it to do well. It's painful to think how much more productive it might be with a more courteous approach. But given the apparent lack of like-minded people, well... I'll drop it for another year or so ------------------ Is there anyone home? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtweasle Posted August 27, 2007 Share Posted August 27, 2007 Originally posted by Battlefront.com: We definitely nabbed the major cause of the "overshoot" problem. Good news, thanks. Has testing with this correction improved how vehicle move around in urban areas? Could you tell us if Infantry is supposed to re-group or form up when comming to each waypoint or is it an issue that is going to be addressed somehow or another? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hensworth Posted August 27, 2007 Share Posted August 27, 2007 Originally posted by GreenAsJade: But given the apparent lack of like-minded people, well... I'll drop it for another year or so The like minded people will know it's pointless to comment. However, if I had to give out experience points to BFC, I'd add them to the big 'software development' pile and expect no miracles in terms of 'diplomacy'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huntarr Posted August 27, 2007 Share Posted August 27, 2007 I totally blame CMSF's pathfinding for this! :mad: (oh and RT, never would happen in WEGO) Charles no more nutrients for your jar! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melnibone Posted August 27, 2007 Share Posted August 27, 2007 Originally posted by GreenAsJade: It's painful to think how much more productive it might be with a more courteous approach. But given the apparent lack of like-minded people, well... I'll drop it for another year or so One man’s meat is another man’s poison. http://www.battlefront.com/discuss/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=52;t=002747 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted August 27, 2007 Share Posted August 27, 2007 GaJ, But given the apparent lack of like-minded people, well... I'll drop it for another year or so I've marked it in my calendar Dirtweasel, Has testing with this correction improved how vehicle move around in urban areas? Yes, though I think mostly because of a different bug that was fixed. This affected both infantry and vehicles, but was a LOT more noticalbe for vehicles. It had something to do with the pathing thinking some terrain was impassible due to some incorrect overlaps in coded footprints. Could you tell us if Infantry is supposed to re-group or form up when comming to each waypoint or is it an issue that is going to be addressed somehow or another?Unfortunately, I don't think this will change much in the near future. I WANT it to change to some degree, but the coding required to get an overall better behavior isn't quick or easy. Meaning, the way it works now is deliberate and preferable to simply removing the current behavior. Having said that, you guys should find that you need less waypoints than you did in v1.02 and earlier. What I mean by this is that the best work around for several bugs now fixed was to use more waypoints. Now with many problems resolved you will find that you don't need as many waypoints to get units to do what you expect them to. This is particularly important for foot units because you don't have the "regroup" issue as often. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Becket Posted August 27, 2007 Share Posted August 27, 2007 Originally posted by GreenAsJade: It's painful to think how much more productive it might be with a more courteous approach. Indeed. When I read the original post from Redwolf, the first thought I had was that the thread would have been so much more productive - and less flamey overall - if it hadn't been inspired by a Sisyphean desire to win an internet argument and score some e-cred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewood Posted August 27, 2007 Share Posted August 27, 2007 e_cred? Why is this the first I've heard of it. Do I have some? Can I get some? Do I have to complain to get some or is being a sycophant enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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