Michael Dorosh Posted February 12, 2004 Share Posted February 12, 2004 <font color="blue">Okay guys, so now everyone who posted a bug here can do me a favour - go into the patched CMAK v1.01 and tell me what has been fixed, so I can remove it from the list. I shall do so in the next day or so myself. I'll check as many as I can, but would appreciate any other input by others. The final list I had in the old thread was as follows:</font> Originally posted by Michael Dorosh: A continuation of the thread found here originally I would encourage additional discussion in that thread, or here, and we can keep a running tally. Will be interesting to compare our notes here with the official patch. Incidentally, a Patch has been reported: Just letting you guys know that we are in the final stages of testing the 1.01 patch and it "should" be ready after we do some more testing on it. (no, I will not clarify that any more). Looking over the readme I see about 47 items listed as being addressed as well as a handful more that I know Charles did which were too hard to define or explain. I will try and post the full Patch readme prior to the patch being released but I can't promise that. MadmattThese are confirmed bugs or errors worthy of a patch. Some paraphrasing has been done here. If anyone wants me to add anything, let me know and I'll edit this post. Mark Gallear - not sure what to include or not include from yours, you got pretty stream-of-consciousness there for awhile. Shared weapons bmps are NOT bugs. Nor are shared 3D models. Requests for brand new features are not the same as request for patches. by <font color="blue">Michael Dorosh</font> Canadian Armour Churchills were never used by Canadians in action during the CMAK timeframe and should be deleted entirely from the selection screens. Sherman I's and Sherman II's were also used by Canadian armoured regiments (specifically the Governor General's Horse Guards of 5 Cdn Armd Div). MG Jeeps The data screen shows a "five-oh" machinegun as the weapon mounted on MG Jeeps, but the 3D model shows a Browning M1919, for both Commonwealth and American MG jeeps. Vickers MG While the shared bitmap for the gunrack image is understandable, the ingame 3D model for the Vickers is the Browning watercooled .30 calibre MG as used by US forces. Commonwealth Rank Structure Squad leaders should be listed as Corporals, and the appropriate bitmap should be shown as such. Battalion COs should really be Lieutenant Colonels. Company commanders should be Majors. (<font color="blue">JonS has also noted this about the New Zealand orbat, it should apply to all CW infantry)</font> The Platoon HQ for the carrier platoon could be a Captain (if possible) with other platoons being Lieutenants. (This was the historical setup, but would really only be chrome if logistically not possible). Canadian Helmet Models - late war Late War Canadian troops appear to be wearing the Mk III helmet. While this may be correct for British troops (though really, the Mk III was never available in wide enough numbers to replace the Mk II in any theatre), I don't recall ever seeing Canadian troops wearing them. The Canadians never actually produced these helmets, they were drawn entirely from British stocks. 3rd Canadian Division received an issue as the assault division for Normandy, and some units of the 2nd Division. Neither of these divs served in Italy. To correct this, I would suggest using the same Mk II model as in earlier war uniforms. British tank crew portraits Some British tank crews have a Canadian unit portrait. Bitmaps 500215 and 500225 have Canadian flags and should really have British union flags. 500216 and 500226 are correct; these should be copied as 500215 and 500225 for the patch. Free French Infantry Purchases I've also noted dated in the editor - after the conquest of North Africa - that you can select French and purchase Support, Vehicles, Armor, Artillery and Fortifications, but no selections come up for Infantry. Hotchkiss Gun Rack image The gun rack image of the Hotchkiss MG actually shows the Italian Breda instead. I think it wants to point to 25020 but doesn't and points to 25019 instead. The larger gun rack image should I think point to 2798 instead? Briefing Typo In the scenario Airborne Assault on Hill A, there is a spelling error/typo in the Australian briefing; "would" has been mis-spelled as "wuold". by <font color="blue">Runyan99</font> Order of Battle Issues Add German OOB for February (as per <font color="blue">Michael Emrys</font>) -June 1941. Add captured Italian guns and tanks to the Australian OOB for 1941. Operation Compass netted a lot of Italian equipment, which showed up during the later battles against the Afrika Korps. by <font color="blue">Speedy</font> Order of Battle Issues Also add Australian OOB for July-September 1942, the AIF's 9th Division was brought back into the line at at the start of July 42. (they don't become available until October in the game) by <font color="blue">JonS</font> Order of Battle Issues * UK Paras in Italy should have access to 75mm spotters * late war CW Bns (British, South African, Canadian, New Zealand, Polish) in CMAK come complete with 6 Wasps. This is good (although 6 might be a few too many), but the number in the Carrier Pn should be reduced by a similar amount - the Wasps were made up from kits fitted to existing Carrier Pn vehicles, not additional vehicles. * CW Infantry should be able to come equipped with infantry A-Tk grenades as 'special weapons' (c.f. 'fausts or wurfmines) (and from me: CW infantry have drop down menus for "anti-tank weapons" when you go to edit them in the Scenario Editor, however, all the options are greyed out. I am presuming that if it was the intent not to include anti-tank weapons, the menu would not appear (there is no drop down menu for Explosive charges, for example). ) * CW Infantry sections and HQs should be using the Thompson until the end of the war. * CW Bns should have AA Pns during 41 and 42, armed with Brens (twin Brens, mounted on the infamous tripod) * CW Bns should not have integral Bofors at any time * CW Bns late-war in CMAK come complete with 6 Wasps. This is good (although 6 might be a few too many), but the number in the Carrier Pn should be reduced by a similar amount - the Wasps were made up from kits fitted to existing Carrier Pn vehicles, not additional vehicles. * NZ Forces should have access to 2-pr Portees until the end of the campaign in NA * NZ Forces should have access to Vickers VIB until approx Feb '42 * NZ Forces should have access to Honeys from Nov 41 (debateable), or at least from July 42 (definitely) * NZ force types should be "infantry" and "mechanised" from the start of the Italian campaign * NZ Forces should have access to Sherman Kangaroos from March 45 (at high rarity) * NZ inf bns should include a Vickers pn from Feb 45 as standard * NZ Forces should not have access to Bofors or Oerlikons after Dec 44 * NZ Forces should not have access to Staghounds after Dec 44 * NZ Forces should not have access to Valentines at any time by <font color="blue">MikeDwyer</font> Italian L3/33AA There is a problem with the Italian L3/33AA, the commander buttons up as soon as an aircraft comes in. This prevents him from firing the AA machinegun which is mounted on top of the vehicle. Could he be made to fire instead of buttoning up every time. by <font color="blue">SirReal</font> 15cm German Infantry Gun mobility The german 15cm infantry gun is operated by six men, and has 50 rounds of ammunition, AND CAN STILL MOVE. Übermench and all, I still think the average german artilleryman was unable to carry a quarter metric ton per person. by <font color="blue">von Lucke</font> Graphical Errors The US sniper is holding a M1 Garand instead of the M1903 Springfield. The Canadian pistol (1907.bmp) is a Moisin-Nagant rifle. Hard-coded tripod for .50cal HMG way too small. CW Order of Battle North Africa, October 1942: Chruchill Mk IV & V's available for British Armor? There were only 6 Churchills in all of Egypt --- and they were Mk III's. They were used in the opening days of the "Lightfoot / Supercharge" offensive, then pulled from the line, and eventually shipped to Tunisia in April '43. Arty Availability By coincedence I was doing up a British scenario in July '43, and under Artillery there are two listings for both 3in. Mortar and 4.5in. The duplicates are identical in every way (including being listed as having radios), except that one is Medium speed, and the other is Slow --- oh, and the Medium speed cost a few more points. Is one meant to be wire-telephone, or are we talking about different sized radios here? Operations Editor When yr fortification reinforcements arrive in an operation, bunkers and minefields cannot be rotated during the set-up phase --- they all point in the direction of the enemy side of the map. The other fortification units (roadblocks, trenches, wire) all can, however. (also added by me - the locked camera bug is still present; ie when entering the map during operation creation, the camera always starts from the middle of the map rather than from where it was last left, as in battle creation.) by <font color="blue">MAsta_KFC</font> Backblast Weapons Bug PANZERSHRECK/BAZOOKA/FAUST firing indoors-no supression bug!!! by <font color="blue">Mark Gallear</font> 1941 QB lists German mountain and airborne available throughout the year - names not dimmed. You can however only buy support troops, tanks not infantry up until May when they both appear. German Mountain infantry but not support etc, disappears again until the end of the year. Commonwealth Order of Battle points Intro date of June 1940, not November I would like to request that the British North African list should start in June 1940 not November. There was continous combat from this date. 7th Armoured Division was sent to the Cyrenaican frontier and fighting with the Italian army began. Available Equipment June - Nov 1940 British vehicle availability at this stage should consist of: 11th Hussars with Morris and modified Roll Royce ACs and the 7th Hussars had Cruiser A-9 Cruiser tanks and Mark VI and VIB light tanks. September 1940 - 2nd and 7th RTR arrive with A9 and A10 cruisers December 1940 - A13s. (Most of these early points refer to North Africa as I am not even sure what battles and units are involved in the East Africa theatre.) Option for battalions with scout platoon in carriers and without - this should go all the way through. No guns in Battalion until Alamein. (For commonwealth - South Africans option of 2pdrs or 18pdrs.) This would be a good date for the Boys AT rifle to disappear, including carrier version. No AA guns in battalion period. PIATS should appear before they do. (Revised - There should be no platoon of Uni Carriers with Boys AT rifle as these merely represent ad hoc vehicles with the gun being fired from under armour.) The addition of a MG company, would also be accurate and benificial for QB battles. Missing Morris CS9/LAC AC - could use Marmon-Harrington 3D model. Rolls Royce is the original unaltered version. If possible change to type used by 11th Hussars - take turret off put an open top armoured box round it - crew 4 armament Boys and Bren. If not how about RAF Fordson version - with hole in turret on left side for Boys AT gun plus Lewis AA gun. They disappear as soon as the M-H appears! Marmon-Harrington gun in the 3d model is far to big it is just a Boys AT Rifle. CS-Troop "Platoon" has 2 tanks not 3 or 4! This mistake goes right the way through. NO LEE - get rid. Marmom-Harrington with captured Italian guns can be organized into 3 car troops, this would never have happened. One squadron managed to have a squadron with each troop's command vehicle in one of these altered vehicles. Mike's comment - Sherman Fireflies are also purchased seperately instead of as part of a 4 or 5 tank Sherman platoon. Historically, they almost always operated as part of the platoon. Right versions of Shermans at Alamein - mostly type II. Its first appearance - check arrival times and numbers for rest of time line - looked wrong to me in a number of places - I give a link to a document showing British tank types and numbers through out the Italian campaign for this in an earlier post. Crusader availability Crusader I and CS were used for first time in June 1941 (BattleAxe) but game has them appear in July. Stuart and Vickers availability Stuart I should appear in July 1941 and replace Vickers light tanks (availability should stop in June 1941). (Side note - tlthough the Vickers AA tanks which are not included in CM continued to be used in real life.) British Bishop and M7 Priest availability M7 Priest appears in July 1942, which is too early - In September 1942, 90 M7s were sent to 8th Army and were available for Battle of Alamein. Bishop appears in June 1942 but were not delivered until July and did not see action until October. .30 AA MGs on Sherman, option on Shermans at Alamein - not all units used them - probably just troop commander in the few units that did. Practised died out after about 3-4 months. NO MORE AA MGS on British and Commonwealth Shermans after that. No 2pdr HE, 6pdr HE January 1944 for AT guns only. Churchill III - first appearance at Alamein. Vickers VIB is organized in Troops of 4 while all others are in 3. Pre-war paper organization called for a troop of 4. After France number of troops in a squadron were cut. Unofficially number of tanks in troop also reduced to 3. This may be more consistent and accurate. by <font color="blue">Mark Ezra</font> Cliff Bug Infantry Climbing "Cliff" walls...ground floor set at 5 height set at 9. When it occurred at these settings I decreased the floor to 2 and raised adjacent height to 12 with the same results. Manual states height numbers skipped by three create cliffs...ie 1x4 or 7x10. Appears to be incorrect Dynamic Flags Exit rules don't seem to activate. I'm working on a scen where the attacking force is going to exit the opposite side of the map. I was using dynamic flags with "attack" set. When I play as attacker there are no units selected to gain points when exiting. I tried changing the flags to static but got the same results. Has this been noted by others? ALSO (by me) - Computer does not select flags at random when playing the attacker in a scenario with Dynamic Flags; the AI always picks the flag selected in the scenario editor. by <font color="blue">Mr. Tittles</font> BAR teams The BAR can be purchased as a support weapon. Its a 2 man team like the MG34/42. The only problem is that it has the same ammo and firepower as a squad BAR. It can not assault, advance or throw grenades, etc. Since it takes two men to operate, its actually inferior to the inherent BAR. by <font color="blue">AntEater</font> Captured Equipment I want captured 2-pdr Portees and Bren Carriers for the DAK. Kradschützenbattalion 15 (later II./PzGren Reg 104) had a Battery of them until El Alamein. Generally more captured stuff for both sides by <font color="blue">redwolf</font> Radio Bug Some of the early war spotters say "radio" in their description line but don't actually have a radio engine-wise. What is a bug is that some Brit Arty spotters are listed as having a radio, but don't (their speed is slow and they cannot embark) (also reported by Waddy_04) Victory point bug around crews: If noone ever makes it out of the vehicle alife (that means no crew marker ever appears on the map) then no victory points are awarded. If some people make it out alife you correctly get points both for those who didn't make it out and for those incapacitated later. by <font color="blue">Bone_Vulture</font> Italian weapons models There seems to be only one model for the truck mounted guns: even the tiny 20mm gun looks as robust as the 90mm doomsday cannon. by <font color="blue">Porkbrain</font> QB settings reset I've been playing a long series of 400 point Pure Armour QB against the AI with all other settings random. After 2 or 3 QB's the force mix for both sides changes to either infantry or combined arms. by <font color="blue">Panther Commander</font> Sherman Mortality I have been playtesting a scenario with a Panther. That Panther has over a period of playtests killed more than 20 Shermans. Many of them at under 200 meters. Not a single Sherman blew up. QB settings reset EDIT Rats, this seems to have gotten deleted. I'll check from home and reenter this one. by <font color="blue">Snarker</font> Endless Ammo for German snipers I've got a game going now where my German Elite sniper never expends ammo. 10 he had, 10 he has. Went through two full turns of firing. by <font color="blue">Legend42</font> Disappearing bases Unit bases disappear on roads, this was in cmbb, not in cmbo. Also in CMAK, but in addition to that unit bases can not be seen on the 1st flr of all light 2 stry bldg. Once they move to the upper flr, the unit base is once again visible. by <font color="blue">Newbtler</font> Italian Order of Battle 1.) Please, get the Beretta MAB 38 out!. I've never ever read any accounts of Italians having MAB 38 in North Africa. IIRC, only some units of the P.A.I. (Italian colonial police) had them, not surely front line infantry. 2 out of 4 squads in the standard platoon were armed exclusively with rifles. In 1943 some units were equipped with MABs in Tunisia but they were the exception. 2.) There were no Radios in the Italian tanks or tankettes in 1940 and early 1941. I should go and see exactly when they were fitted, but they surely weren't there at the start of the war. 3.) The M13/40 and M14/41 are the same in the game . Actually, in realy life the M14/41 had a more powerful engine of 145bhp instead of 125bhp. The Semovente M41 has the correct data though. 4.) The Macchi C.202 was not available in 1940 and in most of 1941. IIRC it went into action in late 1941 . 5.) Quite important. Please give the Semoventi da 75 their proper HC shells. They were used in moderate quantity and were used to destroy heavier allied tanks. 6.) The Macchi C.200 "Saetta" was armed only with 2 x 12,7mm MG. and not with additional 2 x 8mm guns. And IIRC, the Fiat CR42 used often 2 x 100kg bombs, not a single 550 lb bomb. 7.) Helmets! Pith helmets were used at the start of the campaign and already in 1941 most of the Infantry was using the normal Italian helmet. They could be left to the Bersaglieri only as most of them used this kind of helmet. by <font color="blue">flamingknives</font> British and US HT and APC purchases April '45, the organic HTs in British motor platoons clock in at about 105 pts, which seems wrong somehow. The halftrack cost bug has cropped up again. Sept-Dec.'43, US Mechanised forces come with organic M3A1s, when these are not available individually. As a result, variable rarity goes bonkers and consistantly costs the organic HTs at 300-400pts each. In addition, shouldn't you be able to buy kangaroos (esp. full-squad versions) in platoons? by <font color="blue">Steve McClaire</font> US Order of Battle US Army OOB errors: - There doesn't seem to be a US 4 tube 105mm division level artillery spotter unit in the game. The only 105mm spotter available is a 6 tube regimental spotter that represents the regimental cannon company. Other US Army artillery spotter teams it would be nice to have for accurate representation: 3 tube battalion level 81mm mortar (in every tank bn and armored infantry bn) and 6 tube division level 105mm howitzer (armored FA bn). - US combat engineer units never had flamethrowers as part of their TO&E. - US AB squad should have 2 x .30 cal LMG (M1919A6) and no BAR. One .30 cal LMG was assigned to each of the two AB squads in a platoon, and the platoon commander controlled 2 more .30 LMGs he could assign at his discretion. The BAR wasn't added to the squad TO&E until (I believe) 1944, and then it was in addition to the .30 cal LMGs. This one was in CMBO too, in a way, though the .30 cal MMGs given to the AB platoon in CMBO made it a wash I guess. - It would be really nice if there were some way to get a troop & platoon type for dismounted US mechanized cavalry units. The TO&E down to individual weapons is readily available, and would allow scenario designers to create scenarios involving these units without having to 'fudge' using the huge 12 man infantry squads. There's already a "Recon 44" squad type that is close enough to do the job (1 x Plt HQ and 3 x Recon 44 squad), even though the weapons mix is not quite right. by <font color="blue">Soddball</font> Snow (Napoleon1944 also reported graphics glitches) Go to the scenario editor. Set the region as 'All Combined'. Set the date as December 1942 and the weather and ground to snow. Go into the map editor and put some trees and buildings and vehicles and the like in. What do you get? Wierdness. Vehicles without snow on their tracks or tyres, deciduous trees ablaze with leaves in snow in the middle of winter, and no BMP's for the buildings! by <font color="blue">Winkelried</font> French Order of Battle But I have some more points on the French equipment in 42: French Helmets On all pictures I have on the 1e DLFL at Bir Hacheim I could see only British helmets. Not these old French ones we get in CMAK. Bofors AAG The 1e DLFL got delivered its own Bofors AAG (12 pieces) in April 42. In addition to the ones in the attached British battery (6 guns). 60mm/2pdr vs 81mm Mortars My sources for April/May 42 claim, that the 1e DLFL was equipped with 81mm mortars all over instead of the 60mm/2 pdr we get in CMAK. by <font color="blue">Darknight_Canuck</font> Canadian headdress a) Canadian Company/Battalion Commander modelled with service dress cap, same as all other Commonwealth infantry; Service dress cap rarely worn by regimental officers in the field. Most pictures of Canadian officers from battalion level down show the khaki beret to be the proper headgear. According to Canadian regulations, ONLY officers above the rank of Lt-Col were allowed to wear the service dress cap in the theatre of operations, all other personnel wore the beret (khaki for infantry, black for armor, etc). Also, officers below the rank of Colonel were not permitted to wear the service dress cap with Battledress. c) I suggest using the head model used with armoured troops. I'm not sure how difficult it would be to change but the armoured troops wear a beret already, so maybe it's not difficult to implement that model with the Company/Battalion HQ unit for Canadian troops. by <font color="blue">Victor Charlie</font> Gunrack images - German HTs the SPW 250/10, SPW 251/9, 251/10 and 251/17 use the allied 30cal flexible in the gun rack instead of the MG42 flexible. by <font color="blue">Treeburst 155 and Winecape</font> Smoke obscuring FO LOS and inaccurate strikes One can only hope that the following artillery bug – let’s call it rather a cockroach - which has manifested itself in CMBB already, can be patched in CMAK, to wit: Treeburst: I've done quite a bit of testing on it too. If, at any time during the delay period, spotter LOS is obscured by smoke (not dust), the strike will be off target. Subsequent green-line adjustments are ineffective. The strike must be cancelled and replotted from scratch. by <font color="blue">Romulus</font> Italian 75/18 Gun In CMAK the 75/18 gun's performance (mounted on the Semoventi M40 and M41) is underated: in the game it is not even able to penetrate a 50mm armor from a 100m distance while it was well known and popular (among the Italian crews) since it had a higher penetration power than the 47/32 gun (mounted on the M13/40 and on the M14/41). There are several AARs that maintain that it could penetrate 50mm at 1000 yards (this is reported even in Greene & Massignani "Rommel's North Africa Campaign" p136). The point is that the Italians did use a hollow charge shell, called "Effetto Pronto" that make a higher penetration power possible for the 75/18 gun. Another problem about the Semovente da 75/18 (so as the L40 da 47/32) is the lack of the 8mm (bow) MG. Italian Semovente da 75/32 armament In CMAK the Semovente da 75/32 is equipped with a 75/34 gun while it should be equipped with a 75/32 gun (guess it is a misprint). Maybe the confusion was generated by the fact that there were two different semoventi: the M41 da 75/32 and the M42 da 75/34 (90 units employed only by the Germans after the 8th Sept 43 Armistice and never employed by the Italians). Italian Aircraft Availability G50 available from April 41 instead of July 40 Macchi C200 "Saetta" available from April 1941 instead of July 40 Macchi C202 "Folgore" available from November 1941 instead of July 40 Junkers JU87 available from April 41 instead of June 42 (the 96th group, deployed in Misurata, was entirely equipped with this German manufactured plane) The following planes should be left out of the Eastern Africa theatre as they were never deployed there: G50, Macchi C200, Macchi C202. Italian Aircraft Armament Ro37 had three and not two 7.7mm MGs Cr42 did not have any bomb. Actually there was a "CB" version (acronym for fighter-bomber in Italian) equipped with 2x100 kg bombs (and not the single 550 lbs bomb of CMAK) but it was deployed in April 1941. Therefore the Cr42 should not have the bomb load before April 1941 and the bombs should be 2x100 kg and not 1x550 lbs. by <font color="blue">Wicky</font> British Mortars and Walls Playtesting a NA scenario Dec 42 had a British 3 inch mortar team (3 men) and they were unable to hop across a stone wall. Tested it again and with Axis 81 mm team (6 man) who can pass over the same wall without any problems. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Gallear Posted February 12, 2004 Share Posted February 12, 2004 Thought I listed a lot more things than that! Do I have to mention them all again? Fixed things - more than I thought! German QB listings have been corrected and the DAK now starts in March 1941. Good Problems with German QB listing No German PZ III with 37mm gun and there should be! Wanted to do a Battle Axe Scenario for June 1941 involving German Tank ace Johannes Kummel got a picture of him sitting in his PZkpfw III Aus E/F with 3.7cm kwk L/45 in the desert but no such tank in CMAK - and they made up more than half the DAKs medium tank force at this time! (My guess is that the 50cm Pzkpfw IIIs were upgraded Aus E/F as well) http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Arena/8461/BFC.html Put up a picture of Kummel in his Panzer III with 3.7cm gun and the SP-Bofors on a Morris truck here. Pzkpw III Aus H replaced the E/Fs in November 1941. (They are available in CMAK from March) and Z IV Aus F also arrived in November. The G carried on until at least the end of 1942. Found a lot of conflict in the (British) sources not only to what tanks were in the DAK but confusion of the exact classification. We need a high-powered German Grog to check these! RAF did not encounter ME-109 until April 1941 - not a big point for a tank game but a point. British QBs 37mm gun being moved down a month so it starts in Dec 1940 the start of the North African list. I think it would be better to call it Bofors 2pdr and lose the HE. (Although I cannot prove it, I doubt HE was supplied.) :cool: The CS-Troop "Platoon" has being reduced to 2 tanks all the way through. :cool: Vickers VIB troop has being reduced from 4 to 3 so is consistent with other troop sizes. :cool: June 1941 start date of Crusader 1 and CS has been changed to take part in BattleAxe. Patch has added Priest Kangaroo to game appears in October 1944. I have November as first use so good enough! Although you have me moaning about Sherman types -I checked them and think they appear correctly cannot say on rarity but common as muck from first use at second battle of El Alamein. On Sherman's noticed curve angle missing on front turret 30 degrees for early type. Med and Late Period British Shermans should lose their AA MGs and early type should have .30 cal not .50 - and I don't think all of them were fitted probably just 1 in 3. July 1941 start date for Stuart and June 1941 end date for Vickers light tank has not happened - yet. Vickers Light tank seems to go on forever! (Vickers Tank is instantly replaced and does not go through the usual CM process of getting increasingly rare and fading away. Long obsolete at start of WW2 anyway! I do not know when different types of Stuart and Valentine are actually delivered. Suspect first Stuarts are types Is – date given in game is probably when the first IIs arrive.) Priest and Bishop still appear too early Churchill III yet to appear in game and Churchill IV start date should be moved to start of Italian campaign Still like to see North Africa taken back to June 1940 with the Information Provided above Rolls Royce AC still 1920s type and not modified type (either 11th hussars or RAF Fordson) actually used in WW2. Morris CS9/LAC AC - missing, could use Marmon-Harrington 3D model. Vickers and Crusader AA tanks missing. No troop of Marmon-Herrington AC with captured Italian guns only singly not Platoon. For short period had troop with command vehicle with M-H + Italian gun plus 2 ordinary M-Hs. Marmon-Herrington MK IV for South African QB lists introduced early 1943. Use Daimler AC 3D model. (Can not prove it but possibly the only vehicle with a 2pdr that was supplied HE.) British and Commonwealth Battalion structure still not resolved. (However PIAT introductory date appears correctly in game and have revised my opinion in later posts with more detailed points on Battalion structure on when 2pdrs appeared it is earlier than stated above for some units.) Would welcome a constructive debate on this issue. Will check on HE with AT guns in game - OK done that - By May 1943 - 2pdr, 2pdr portee, AEC I and Daimler AC have developed unhistorical HE rounds, PLEASE REMOVE with all other 2pdr HE rounds in British and Commonwealth lists. By September 1943 - 6pdr, Valentine X, AEC II developed HE rounds, and Daimler still has HE for its 2pdr PLEASE REMOVE. BY Jan 1944 - 6pdr A-Tank gun, HE rounds should start here, however tanks and vehicles with 6pdr do not get the 6pdr HE round so remove from Valentine X, AEC II. PLEASE REMOVE 17pdr HE round appeared in October in NW Europe –my guess is November-December for 17pdr AT gun, Firefly and other vehicles in Italy. Some other points not listed above which I have said already - but not all of them! Grant should have a crew of 6. Also should not be rare, at least until after Oct 1942. (losses from second Almain and slow replacement with Sherman.) The Lee date should be October 1942. Moving the turret MG to a .30 cal AA MG would be historic as well. The 6pdr first date in action is Feb 1942 however got date of December 1941 for delivery - which does BFC go by. CMAK date is May 1942 very much later than this. I would go with February personally. Humber III LRC arrives in CMAK in Nov 1942 however earlier version used in desert since mid 1941. These had gun shield rather than a built up turret. 3D model is Daimler Scout. AEC I AC appeared in small numbers in July 1942, CMAK has November 1942. M5 Halftrack appears in game at Oct 1942 – never seen any source, which indicates any were ever used in Desert War – first appears in Italian campaign but do not know when. First possible use is Sept 1943. May well be even later. 17 pdr appears in game for Jan 1943 first use is March 1943. Churchill III first used at El Alamein, October 1942 - very rare only 6 used. Start date proper is Feb 1943 with Churchill I. Churchill I has 2pdr in turret and 3inch gun in hull used as CS tank in pairs per squadron. Some evidence of 6pdr HE used in Tunisia but not all units have it and issued on limited basis to units that do. So put an extra Churchill III with HE in lists and make rare! Churchill I ends at end of Tunisian campaign, no British Churchills in Sicily. In September 1943, Churchill I is replaced with Churchill I CS this has 3” gun in turret some are Churchill II CS but extremely rare have 3” in turret and 2pdr in hull. ATR carrier should end in May 1943 and have been rare since Oct 1942 although this could cause problems for carrier platoon. Change to dismounted Boys AT rifles in Uni-carriers? ATR Uni-Carrier could have AA Bren on tripod mount in centre of vehicle - can fire at ground targets but gunner exposes himself - so suppression would prevent use. 75mm SP Autocar appears in April 1943 first use is September 1943. Churchill IV appears in CMAK in March 1943 should be start of Italian campaign September 1943. Churchill V appears in CMAK in March 1943 – should be Nov-Dec 1944. Churchill VII arrives in June 1944 should be December 1944 The following lot of Churchills appear in CMAK in August 1944 Churchill IX (up armoured Mk II & IV) Churchill IX (light Turret) Churchill X (up armoured Mk VI) Churchill X (light turret) Churchill XI (up armoured Mk V) Churchill XI (light turret) Have info on all types of Churchill used in Italy - REMOVE not used! Maybe add in a month after war has ended for Scenario designers wanting to do NW Europe etc. Morris C9/B AA appears in July 1943 is this is referred to in British Army as “SP Bofors” it is a Bofors gun mounted on truck. British Army Service date is February 1942. My guess for Desert use would be June 1942 giving time to be shipped to theatre. Issued in pairs in Anti-aircraft batteries to give AA cover when on move. (Australian Army used Bofors guns mounted on trucks in April 1941 in anti-tank role - probably made in theatre!) Big hint you have 3d model of truck and Bofors gun) Only brand new Sherman IIIs (late) were used by the British Army in Sicily July-August 1943. Valentine X and Churchill IV NA not used on Sicily July-August 1943, both should appear in Sept 1943. Valentine X may be later than this – just found date of late 1943. Sexton SP 25pdr should appear in July 1943 arrives in CMAK Sept 1944 Humber Scout Car arrives in CMAK in Oct 1943 should be around Oct 1942. Daimler Scout appears in game from July 1940 not used in Desert war until at the earliest Oct 1942 according to one source. First date in service with any actual unit that I could find is February 1943. Valentine XI used as command tank /artillery observation only so no platoon formation Make rare. M10 Wolverine, CMAK first date is Jan 1944 used in July 1943. Sherman Kangaroo should appear in November 1944 – missing from game but Sherman 3d model is available. Jan 1943 Stuart Recce early and Stuart Kangaroo early appear in Jan 1943. Stuart Recce Late and Stuart Kangaroo late appear in July 1943. Always being puzzled by inclusion of Stuart Recce in Desert War, recently found evidence for turret-less Stuarts used in late Desert war as FO vehicles in at least one Armoured Division – make rare can they carry an FO team? Stuart Recce early should appear in Jan 1943 last until End of Tunisian campaign. Rest of Stuart Recce and Kangaroos should appear from July 1944 at earliest- probably much later! Invented by Canadians in Normandy apparently. My guess would be November 1944. How about some Naval artillery support for Sicily. 18 pdrs should be gone in Oct 1942 as the remaining guns were issued to South African Infantry or otherwise retired. Flamethrower Portable No 2 Mk I - from late 1942 -(time for arrival in North Africa) withdrawn mid 1943 for being unreliable. MK II appears in Italy from November 1944. I gather that this version was not considered all that reliable either. Not sure in CM terms if there are differences such as more squirts in second version - not sure how that is worked out! CMAK date for Grant is May. Actually in service in March 1942 in the Desert. This may be acceptable after all as although they were involved in Skirmishes in March, they spent the time until May training. White Scout Car and Jeep appear in CMAK in May 42. First date I have for both in use is Feb 1943. It would be nice to have Portee 6pdr and "Bofors 2pdr" (37mm)as well. Start and end dates same for guns in North Africa. (Use 2pdr Portee 3d model.) If the Assault teams are meant to portray the dismounted Carrier Platoon - they do not as they were equipped with Brens, Boys AT guns/PIATS and 2in Mortars. In Feb 1945, Infantry Battalion should drop the 6pdr AT guns, as they were no longer seen as necessary and men were needed to replace losses in other parts of the Battalion. Wasp Flamethrower in New Zealand Battalion structure in Dec 1944, (one in the Carrier Platoon) make them available in Support section of British and Canadian QB lists from this date but rare. Make Grenade, Hand, Anti-tank No 74 (ST) "Sticky bomb" available to squads as anti-tank weapon. Tank-Hunter teams with Sten and Rifle equipped with Grenade, Hand, Anti-Tank No 75 "Hawkins Grenade", for period when Boys AT Rifle is obsolete and PIAT has yet to be introduced. From Oct 1944 Sherman troop (Platoon) organization wants altering - no troops of just Firefly or 76mm 2 Sherman V plus 1 Sherman VC Firefly 2 Sherman II 75 plus 1 Sherman IIC Firefly or Sherman IIA 76mm Following organization is specific to Italian Front in April 1945 and wants to be represented - troop consisting off a 17pdr and two 76mm Shermans. (CS section was two Sherman 105mm.) Not found any evidence that the troop was increased to 4 tanks as happened in NW Europe. Has anybody got evidence of this? On Captured Stuff Captured tanks were not repainted CMBB style but just have a few Cross, Kangaroo, Italian Flag painted on a few parts of tank to mark their new owners - could be done so majority of BMPs are shared with orginal? At Beda Fomm February, 1941 some 112 medium tanks almost all M13/40s were captured. The best were fitted with British wireless sets and used by the 6th royal Tank regiment. They were used in the first offensive by the DAK, but many were destroyed for lack of diesel fuel at Musus, April 5 1941 and the rest were abandoned one by one as the fuel ran out. M13/40s with radio from March-April slightly unusual, May-June Rare. Australian M13/40 with White Kangaroo markings. Jan 1941 - May 1941 Rare. From 73 Italian light and medium tanks captured at Sidi Barrani (December 12 1940) the 6th Australian Cavalry managed to put 16 medium tanks in working order. They equipped three squadrons; one of six tanks (1x M13/40 and 5 x M11/39) and two with two tanks supported by Bren carriers. The squadrons were named Ringo, Rabbit and Wobat respectively and the Italian vehicles had a large white Kangaroo painted on the sides, drivers plate, and turret sides and back for recognition during the attack on Tobruk. French Renault R-35 tanks used by Germany in Greece, Sicily, Tunisia rare! (get 3D model from CMBB) Uni-Carrier and Marmon-Herrington are obvious candidates for German captured use. After fall of Tobruk Germans used loads of British stuff captured there. Italians had some British Crusier Mk I from October 1940 to around Jan 1941. (If you are taking the Desert War back) Had red, white and green stripes on turret sides. On Guns and Aircraft see post here http://www.battlefront.com/cgi-bin/bbs/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=30&t=001219&p=8#000175 (Vickers is BMP 1934/25034,icon 25019 is for the Breda30. It matches MG BMP 1929,2798 is for the Hungarian Schwarzlose MMG - not in game. Maybe left over from CMBB?) Other Peoples Points The Von Lucke point on Canadian pistol has being corrected in the patch and by various mods including Jujus. I thought Mr Dorosh agreed with me that the MG on British Jeeps is unhistorical with whatever type of MG and should go. (It appears in just about every scenario as well!) On Sodball point of no snow in Tunisia - historically there was none - they have rain and mud in winter but no snow. Ok maybe at the top of some mountains but no fighting there just snowboarding! Should make it impossible to have snow in Desert even randomly so Sodball does not get upset - well only by the bogging! Checked Snow and Blizzard is greyed out for weather in North Africa so fixed. What does have access to mean exactly in the JonS post on New Zealanders? Are the vehicles crewed by New Zealand troops or UK troops under command of the New Zealanders? By way you are going to have problems getting access to the Sherman Kangaroo - (you have got the Priest Kangaroo now though) at least until they put it in the game! On the JonS point about AA platoon, "* CW Bns should have AA Pns during 41 and 42, armed with Brens (twin Brens, mounted on the infamous tripod)", this is technically true but very rapidly the Brens would have been stuck on uni-carriers as suggested above or other vehicles such as ACs and the extra men used to make up losses in rest of Battalion - so I would omit. So no point in doing a twin Bren AA mount. [ March 12, 2004, 12:43 PM: Message edited by: Mark Gallear ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamingknives Posted February 12, 2004 Share Posted February 12, 2004 Halftrack cost bug is fixed - ISTR that it was mentioned in the Readme. The "radio" spotter issue is fixed, and the "endless sniper ammo" is simply the self-defence firepower common to all teams - it wasn't a bug in the first place. [ February 12, 2004, 04:18 PM: Message edited by: flamingknives ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonS Posted February 12, 2004 Share Posted February 12, 2004 by <font color="blue">JonS</font> Order of Battle Issues * UK Paras in Italy should have access to 75mm spotters FIXED * late war CW Bns (British, South African, Canadian, New Zealand, Polish) in CMAK come complete with 6 Wasps. This is good (although 6 might be a few too many), but the number in the Carrier Pn should be reduced by a similar amount - the Wasps were made up from kits fitted to existing Carrier Pn vehicles, not additional vehicles. * CW Infantry should be able to come equipped with infantry A-Tk grenades as 'special weapons' (c.f. 'fausts or wurfmines) (from Dorosh: CW infantry have drop down menus for "anti-tank weapons" when you go to edit them in the Scenario Editor, however, all the options are greyed out. I am presuming that if it was the intent not to include anti-tank weapons, the menu would not appear (there is no drop down menu for Explosive charges, for example). ) * CW Infantry sections and HQs should be using the Thompson until the end of the war. * CW Bns should have AA Pns during 41 and 42, armed with Brens (twin Brens, mounted on the infamous tripod) * CW Bns should not have integral Bofors at any time * NZ Forces should have access to 2-pr Portees until the end of the campaign in NA FIXED * NZ Forces should have access to Vickers VIB until approx Feb '42 FIXED * NZ Forces should have access to Honeys from Nov 41 (debateable), or at least from July 42 (definitely) * NZ force types should be "infantry" and "mechanised" from the start of the Italian campaign * NZ Forces should have access to Sherman Kangaroos from March 45 (at high rarity) * NZ inf bns should include a Vickers pn from Feb 45 as standard * NZ Forces should not have access to Bofors or Oerlikons after Dec 44 * NZ Forces should not have access to Staghounds after Dec 44 * NZ Forces should not have access to Valentines at any time.FIXED 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wicky Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 by Wicky British 3" Mortars and Walls there is no fix Plus Graphics glitch on the lower rear of US M7 B1 Priest 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Dorosh Posted February 13, 2004 Author Share Posted February 13, 2004 Originally posted by Wicky: [QB] by Wicky British 3" Mortars and Walls there is no fixISTR the previous discussion rationalized this because of the difference in crew size. Am I correct in assuming that you feel this isn't a bug at all? Graphics glitch on the lower rear of US M7 B1 Priest Haven't noticed - is this new (post patch)? To all - thanks, I'll try and get this updated in the next few days. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 Originally posted by Mark Gallear: July 1941 start date and June 1941 end date for Vickers light tank has not happened - yet.This is confusing. How can it start one month after it ends? :confused: Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Gallear Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 Sorry Michael still in editing stage will you check for any more howlers :eek: . Another quick question, Mr Dorosh was on to me about Plane speeds does it effect anything in game terms - speed given do not seem to be top speed or for any normally given height? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 Originally posted by Mark Gallear: Sorry Michael still in editing stage... Editing has greatly improved the passage in question. Now perfectly clear. Thanks! Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GJK Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 Mike; as we were chatting, I still say something is different with CMAK over CMBO/CMBB in group select and move. In all 3 games, I do not have "show all moves" enabled, it bugs me, but in CMBO/CMBB, if I group select and move, I see every units plot line that I can then adjust as needed. In CMAK, I do not. I only get the plot line for the one unit that I do the actual right clicking on to give the group order to. I have to select each unit of the group individually to then see its plot line for adjustment. Has nobody else noticed this? Have I gone mad? :confused: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treeburst155 Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 Smoke interfering with spotter LOS to the target during the arty delay period still scraps the strike. If you don't see any spotting rounds, that's the que for you to cancel the "observed" strike completely. It is now being treated as a blind strike. Treeburst155 out. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
von Lucke Posted February 14, 2004 Share Posted February 14, 2004 Good news: The .50cal tripod and Canadian pistol graphics are fixed. Bad news: Discovered new OOB error. British '40 Infantry Battalion (available Dec. '40) has an inherent 3in. mortar FO --- one with a radio and 6 tubes. However, if you check the Artillery / Air section, you will soon see that this combination is not generally available until January 1942 --- up until then, it's always wire / 4 tubes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingofclubs Posted February 14, 2004 Share Posted February 14, 2004 You are correct GJK. I have to select every one of the squads to adjust their movement, as you describe. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted February 15, 2004 Share Posted February 15, 2004 Okay, unless I'm blind yet again, I believe I've found a 1.01 problem. Where are the individual kill tallies for AFVs, guns, etc., in a QB? Looked all over and can't find them anywhere. Saved the end of game file if anyone's interested. Also, in that same QB involving Stuarts, AB 41s, M-13/40s, a 47mm ATG and a U.S. HT TD, with almost all AFV participants destroyed, not a single vehicle was K-killed. Even if one wants to be charitable and go light on the 20mm stuff, seems to me that multiple 47mm penetrations ought to do well against the inside of a Stuart turret, its vulnerable flanks, and the highly vulnerable HT. Likewise, I'd expect a good chance of a burning AC when a Stuart rips through an AB 41. As for the M-13/40s, Italian tanks were notorious for both popping rivets and flammability. Mine took multiple turret penetrations from Stuarts, yet not one burned. This may be a statistical fluke, but it struck me as odd. Regards, John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Dorosh Posted February 15, 2004 Author Share Posted February 15, 2004 Originally posted by Mark Gallear: Rest of Stuart Recce and Kangaroos should appear from July 1944 at earliest- probably much later! Invented by Canadians in Normandy apparently. My guess would be November 1944.You are confusing the turretless Stuarts with the Kangaroo APC, which was an M7 Priest without the gun (as depicted in CMAK) and later the Ram without a turret (as depicted in CMBO). Captured tanks were not repainted CMBB style but just have a few Cross, Kangaroo, Italian Flag painted on a few parts of tank to mark their new owners - could be done so majority of BMPs are shared with orginal? This is not a bug, it is a mod! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Gallear Posted February 15, 2004 Share Posted February 15, 2004 Maybe I am! Not sure where the "Kangaroo" name comes from but does seem to have Canadian connotations and is applied to tanks converted into APCs that are usually unarmed. The Recce name implies a scout vehicle armed with a MG. The only internet links I found on the subject are these: http://www.btinternet.com/~ian.a.paterson/equipinfantry.htm#Kangaroo http://www.mapleleafup.org/vehicles/cac/ Stuart Kangaroo. Removed turret and added seats. "The Kangaroo Infantry Carrier was deployed by the British late in the war, having served in Northern Europe with the Canadians, since shortly after the Normandy landings." Until I found a battle account in North Africa mentioning turretless Stuarts being used by FO in support of an Armoured Division, first use I could find was in Normandy. Stuart Recce were used in the Armoured Recce Regiment, instead of normal Stuarts from D-Day. These presumably were converted in Britain before the Invasion - no doubt from old and battle damaged Stuarts brought back from North Africa, Italy rather than new ones. (I know for a fact that some old Stuart IIIs supposedly obsolete were issued to some new units going into action for the first time in Normandy. They should have got Stuart IVs and were less than pleased.) The Priests and Shermans converted in Italy were done in the workshops of the 8th Army, in late 1944, to produce a specially organised armoured personnel carrier unit. The converted Priests carried 20 infantrymen plus crew of two. At same time, 8th Army’s Sherman IIIs 75 were converted into Sherman Kangaroo, removing the turret and allowed room for ten infantrymen plus crew of two. (I assume this means they got new Sherman 76mm that replaced the IIIs?) The point is that they appear in the QBs far too early. If anybody can shed in more light on this subject I would be very interested! As for BFC doing captured stuff – I was just trying to demonstrate that it could be done very easily with just a few converted BMPs. Modders cannot do it as they cannot move 3D models in the QB lists or rename BMPs. [ February 15, 2004, 06:38 AM: Message edited by: Mark Gallear ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GJK Posted February 15, 2004 Share Posted February 15, 2004 Originally posted by Kingofclubs: You are correct GJK. I have to select every one of the squads to adjust their movement, as you describe. Ah ha! I knew I wasn't imagining things! Thanks KoC for the confirmation. This one "bugs" me as much as the disappearing bases, surprised it hadn't come up before - or if it had I missed it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blah Blah Blah Posted February 15, 2004 Share Posted February 15, 2004 Ammo expenditure at close range is excessive. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junk2drive Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 I dont know if this is new or not. I had an 8" shell barrage destroy some large tall buildings. the dust clouds were great. lasted about three turns. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamingknives Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 Dust from buildings came in in CMBB. What's new in CMAK is dust from arty strikes on open ground. In either case, it's hardly a bug. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruceov Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 Arty is too expensive for the allies 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junk2drive Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 I didnt say it was a bug. The first sentence in this thread says tell me what is fixed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 Gah! Found the kill tallies. Would love an easier way to gather this useful unit performance data. Regards, John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watson & Crick Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 I had a platoon tank commander die in an operation in the next to last battle. In the final battle, the surving subordinate tanks could be commanded by any infantry platoon leader. This occured as US and it was w/ a sherman tank platoon. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watson & Crick Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 Originally posted by Watson & Crick: I had a platoon tank commander die in an operation in the next to last battle. In the final battle, the surving subordinate tanks could be commanded by any infantry platoon leader. This occured as US and it was w/ a sherman tank platoon. I forgot to add that this is w/ version 1.01. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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