Juardis Posted February 21, 2003 Share Posted February 21, 2003 I have wasted 80 rounds of 50mm HE trying to KO a PZ-I. I watch the rounds explode BENEATH the tank, but nothing happens. No message indicating a hit of any kind let alone kill the bugger. I realize the blast radius is not huge and it's relatively difficult to put a round in the open top, but I should at least be hitting the dang thing. I mean, the rounds can't explode beneath it without hitting it afterall. Yes, I know, abstractions and what not. So, before I call it a bug similar to the bug where SdkFz 7/x's couldn't be killed by AP rounds, has anybody been able to KO a open top tank with 50mm mortar fire? edit: the tank was not moving during the entire time, my mortar team was direct firing half the time, indirect the other half with the target specified directly beneath the tank by toggling vehicles off. Either way, the result was the same. [ February 21, 2003, 11:53 AM: Message edited by: Juardis ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted February 21, 2003 Share Posted February 21, 2003 It used to be possible in CMBO, but they toned it down on purpose. Now that you mention it, I've never seen a mortar take out a vehicle in CMBB. I've seen vehicles get paniced, but not killed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Posted February 21, 2003 Share Posted February 21, 2003 Does not look very open topped to me: Panzer I 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwxspoon Posted February 21, 2003 Share Posted February 21, 2003 I have killed HT's with top penetrations from a 50mm mortar in CMBB. jw 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PondScum Posted February 21, 2003 Share Posted February 21, 2003 I have killed German armored cars with 50mm mortars in CMBB. In fact, I think I killed two in one scenario. Those Russian mortars have a big ammo loadout 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigrii Posted February 21, 2003 Share Posted February 21, 2003 It's certainly possible to hit. I kept hitting a T-34 with one, and it was broken but not damaged because it actually has top armor. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soddball Posted February 21, 2003 Share Posted February 21, 2003 I just ran a quick test for you. 10 German 50mm mortars hidden in woods, targetting an SU-76 and an M5 halftrack stuck in rough 140m away. Turn 1: Halftrack hit by two 'top penetrations', both of which injured a crewmember and forced the remaining crew to bail out. SU-76 immobilised by a mortar round and a 'top penetration - no serious damage' was scored. Turn 2: SU-76 lasts 20 seconds before bailing due to multiple 'top penetration' hits. One or two actual hits were enough to knock out the enemy vehicle. However, total ammo used: 300 rounds carried (10 mortars x 30 shots each) 158 rounds left = 142 rounds used to achieve 6 hits on stationary vehicles who were unable to return fire. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakovski Posted February 21, 2003 Share Posted February 21, 2003 Definitely possible, but hard. I just got three top hits on a light tank with no result. On the other hand, I killed three PzIVs with ampulowhatevers in one battle. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted February 21, 2003 Share Posted February 21, 2003 Is an actual working PzI in the game? I know there are sp guns (open topped) based on the PzI chassis. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juardis Posted February 21, 2003 Author Share Posted February 21, 2003 Andreas, CMBB calls it partially-open. If you look at the back of the PZ-I in the game, you see the openness. I feel confident that CMBB is rendering it correctly OK, glad to know it's possible. Just means I've been very unlucky (typical of all my CMBB battles so far) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Posted February 21, 2003 Share Posted February 21, 2003 You must be talking about the Panzjaeger I which is definitely partially open. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aka_tom_w Posted February 21, 2003 Share Posted February 21, 2003 ok how crazy is this? If a tanks commander has the hatch open can the mortar or arty round drop down the hatch and take out the tank? I have never seen a mortar round KO a close top tank with an open hatch in CMBB, but I am always hopeing to be pleasantly surprised I would think it would be cool if there was a .5% chance (1 shot in 500) that would KO the tank by dropping down an open hatch. Nay Sayers reply: Yeah yeah, but the TC is standing in the open hatch so the round would NEVER go down the hatch. Oh well.... it was only an idea :eek: -tom w IN CMBB mortar round NEVER KO closed top tanks, panic break or route maybe but not KO, at least I have never seen it. -tom w 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeauCoupDinkyDau Posted February 21, 2003 Share Posted February 21, 2003 I lost a BA A/C to my opponent's 81mm mortar drop. The same round fragmented and hit the gun of my T34/85 about ten meters away, and damaged it's gun! :eek: Talk about a luck hit for my opponent! Now that's arty well spent!! :mad: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted February 21, 2003 Share Posted February 21, 2003 Juardis, is this what you are talking about: It's called Panzerjäger I, a tank destroyer with 47mm Czech gun. Actual PzKpfw I is armed with two machineguns. The 50mm mortar is very light, but theoretically you have a chance. Just don't rely on it, better use something heavier. The light mortars are better spent on supressing enemy infantry. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PvtTom Posted February 21, 2003 Share Posted February 21, 2003 I took out a German half-track with a 50mm mortar last week. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juardis Posted February 21, 2003 Author Share Posted February 21, 2003 PanzerJeager I, yep, that's it. My non-grogginess has been revealed. My only problem is that I have NOTHING to kill it with unless I close assault with molotovs. That don't work too well. So I have to rely on the 50mm to get the job done. I'm going to do a test when I get home though. I swear that thing should be dead already. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Harrison Posted February 22, 2003 Share Posted February 22, 2003 I am sure someone else will come in with the numbers, but I have seen a number of 80mm or so mortars take out medium tanks (especially the Mark IV). Dont underestimate those 80mm mortars. I have seen plenty of kills with 50mm or so mortars on Half tracks, and other light tanks. Dont give up hope and dont shoot at them when they are moving! Chad 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Puppchen Posted February 22, 2003 Share Posted February 22, 2003 In a recent game I took out an SU-76 open topped Soviet self-propelled gun with an onboard 81mm mortar. It took less than a dozen shells before I got a direct hit but may have just been lucky. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Rosenrosen Posted February 22, 2003 Share Posted February 22, 2003 Based on my extensive testing of this subject (I did a "Mortar Golf" scenario with lots of immobilized vehicles for targets), 81mm mortars can take out open-topped vehicles and anything with top armor of 10mm or less (such as a Valentine). Armor penetration requires a lucky shot, so don't expect immediate results. Open-topped vehicles are much easier targets. Dr. Rosenrosen 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warmaker Posted February 22, 2003 Share Posted February 22, 2003 If you're relying on mortars to do your anti-tank work than you're in worse shape than you think you are... It's quite possible to KO an open topped or flimsily top armored AFV with mortars but sitting and hoping for successful hits is, IMO, like waiting for lightning to strike down your opponent. In CMBO, mortars seemed to be deadly accurate against those open topped AFVs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stalin's Organ Posted February 22, 2003 Share Posted February 22, 2003 Originally posted by Juardis: PanzerJeager I, yep, that's it. My non-grogginess has been revealed. My only problem is that I have NOTHING to kill it with unless I close assault with molotovs. That don't work too well. So I have to rely on the 50mm to get the job done. I'm going to do a test when I get home though. I swear that thing should be dead already. Actually close assaulting it is a GOOD bet - you can KO it with small arms fire from the rear, or grenades or molotovs from any aspect. It has no machine guns, so if it isn't covered my it's own infantry or MG armed tanks I'd go for the close assault! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manchildstein (ii) Posted February 22, 2003 Share Posted February 22, 2003 you could probably kill a pzjg1 with mg fire out to several hundred meters... particularly in the side or the rear... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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