rocketman Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 Has anyone been able to start this scenario as a PBEM and not getting a corrupted file before the actual scenario starts? Me and my PBEM partner has tried two times now and I did a start of the scenario as a PBEM without sharing the first file and there is something off. If I'm correct - the order of files/actions is as follows in a PBEM: Person A starts PBEM and generate 001 as his password turn Person B gets 001 and does his password turn and generete 002 Person A gets 002 and does his setup and generate 003 Person B gets 003 and does his setup and generate 004 Person A views the action of the first turn (004), makes his moves, and generate 005 Person B views the action of the first turn (004), makes his moves, and generate 006 and so on.... To me it seems like this scenario for some weird reson messes up the first step so that some kind of corruption occurs. The password stage doesn't occur immediately in step 1+2 but only generates save files. Never encountered anything like this before and can't understand what is specific about this scenario. Both me and my playing partner use CM Helper (but have other games ongoing without other people without a hitch) and we have the latest patch and we both have the battle pass and Fire & Rubble. Both on PC. Paging @George MC as I understand you are the scenario maker. Are ema-files worth sending for analysis? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocketman Posted December 12, 2022 Author Share Posted December 12, 2022 This is what the first save looks like and there is no Password prompt: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George MC Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 17 hours ago, rocketman said: Has anyone been able to start this scenario as a PBEM and not getting a corrupted file before the actual scenario starts? Me and my PBEM partner has tried two times now and I did a start of the scenario as a PBEM without sharing the first file and there is something off. If I'm correct - the order of files/actions is as follows in a PBEM: Person A starts PBEM and generate 001 as his password turn Person B gets 001 and does his password turn and generete 002 Person A gets 002 and does his setup and generate 003 Person B gets 003 and does his setup and generate 004 Person A views the action of the first turn (004), makes his moves, and generate 005 Person B views the action of the first turn (004), makes his moves, and generate 006 and so on.... To me it seems like this scenario for some weird reson messes up the first step so that some kind of corruption occurs. The password stage doesn't occur immediately in step 1+2 but only generates save files. Never encountered anything like this before and can't understand what is specific about this scenario. Both me and my playing partner use CM Helper (but have other games ongoing without other people without a hitch) and we have the latest patch and we both have the battle pass and Fire & Rubble. Both on PC. Paging @George MC as I understand you are the scenario maker. Are ema-files worth sending for analysis? Ah bummer - nothing more frustrating! Okay - I've just set-up a PBEM and played to seven turns with no issues. Files created, exchanged and played. This was done on my own PC. Sp does not look like there is an issue with the actual BP scenario. However I'm not sure what the issue might be. My advice would be to double check and confirm you are both using same game engine version; oh and yank all mods out from your games and try without mods (sometimes issues can be caused by mods). It's a huge map so could be the issue is one or other machine not coping with processing the turn. In anycase this is more an issue for @BFCElvis who I'm sure will have greater insight. In that regard might also be worth filing a tech support ticket? Cheery! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vacillator Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 Coincidentally @Ultradave and I have just exchanged the initial password turns for Cat and Mouse and it seemed normal so far. @George MC / @rocketman I'll report back if we hit a problem. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultradave Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 My first turn did nothing except save and pass on to @Vacillator (Tim). I was the one initiating (Player 1, German). My second turn had me set the password. Other than that though, it's working and turns being passed, so far. I was wondering the first turn why it didn't ask me to set a pw. Dave 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vacillator Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 My first turn in response to Dave's initial turn asked me to put in a password and return. For the next turn, I had to put in my pasword and I'm now in the game proper. Let the tank fun commence . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocketman Posted December 13, 2022 Author Share Posted December 13, 2022 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Vacillator said: My first turn in response to Dave's initial turn asked me to put in a password and return. For the next turn, I had to put in my pasword and I'm now in the game proper. Let the tank fun commence . So, have you passed through setup and played a proper turn? In the setup phase for the German (starting) side the file from the Soviet side was corrupted. Edited December 13, 2022 by rocketman 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vacillator Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, rocketman said: passed through setup and played a proper turn Give me a few minutes (I'm eating a turkey, ham and cranberry pie ) and I should have the first 'proper' turn done. I'll be back shortly with an answer... EDIT: First proper Soviet turn completed and saved, now on Dropbox. Edited December 13, 2022 by Vacillator 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFCElvis Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 4 hours ago, George MC said: ........... However I'm not sure what the issue might be. My advice would be to double check and confirm you are both using same game engine version; oh and yank all mods out from your games and try without mods (sometimes issues can be caused by mods). ............. In anycase this is more an issue for @BFCElvis who I'm sure will have greater insight. In that regard might also be worth filing a tech support ticket? Cheery! That was my first thought when I saw the screenshots. Over the years I have seen all manner of odd things happen from mods. Things you would never expect were related. It took a while of trying to figure out an issue before I would start with "remove all mods" and, when that fixed more problems than it didn't, it because my opening suggestions. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocketman Posted December 13, 2022 Author Share Posted December 13, 2022 (edited) 59 minutes ago, BFCElvis said: That was my first thought when I saw the screenshots. Over the years I have seen all manner of odd things happen from mods. Things you would never expect were related. It took a while of trying to figure out an issue before I would start with "remove all mods" and, when that fixed more problems than it didn't, it because my opening suggestions. I can check without mods. But the first "turn" doesn't load the scenario, so I can't see how mods would mess things up then. It is just a popup with setting password and then you save. It is that step that I showed in the screenshot and is a deviation from how it usually is. One question: did the patch contain any changes to how files are saved in PBEM games in preparation for the eventual Matrix release and their PBEM system? I have never had anything like this happen before in any game and this happened after the patch. Edited December 13, 2022 by rocketman 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFCElvis Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 20 minutes ago, rocketman said: I can check without mods. But the first "turn" doesn't load the scenario, so I can't see how mods would mess things up then. It is just a popup with setting password and then you save. It is that step that I showed in the screenshot and is a deviation from how it usually is. As I said, I have seen mods do all sorts of wild things. Even, as my last post says "Things you would never expect were related. " That said, if you want to take a deeper dive let's open a Help Desk ticket and see if we can sort this out. Especially if removing the mods doesn't clear it up. Happy to help any way I can. Quote One question: did the patch contain any changes to how files are saved in PBEM games in preparation for the eventual Matrix release and their PBEM system? I have never had anything like this happen before in any game and this happened after the patch. No. Not yet anyway. The next one will as it will contain PBEM++ and the tournament feature. But nothing in the v2.12 PBEM was touched that I am aware of. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hilts Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 I have seen this before in Fortress Italy but curiously only when I set up a PBEM as Allies. You should be able to just play through it by sending the file as is. He enters his password and sets up then returns the file and you enter your password and set up. Then it should play as normal with you as the second player. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultradave Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 (edited) I just returned my turn 005 to Tim, with no issues. Did my initial first moves. I think we're good. I did have that initial turn nothingness, so it was like my second turn was what I'm used to for the first. So I'm not sure what the problem could be. It's working fine it seems. I'm using CM Helper on my end and have no problems. Dave Edited December 13, 2022 by Ultradave 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocketman Posted December 13, 2022 Author Share Posted December 13, 2022 15 minutes ago, BFCElvis said: As I said, I have seen mods do all sorts of wild things. Even, as my last post says "Things you would never expect were related. " That said, if you want to take a deeper dive let's open a Help Desk ticket and see if we can sort this out. Especially if removing the mods doesn't clear it up. Happy to help any way I can. No. Not yet anyway. The next one will as it will contain PBEM++ and the tournament feature. But nothing in the v2.12 PBEM was touched that I am aware of. Cool, thanks for helping. I will try to create a first save that skips the password prompt without any mods loaded and we can use that as the basis for a ticket. Unfortunately, I don't have the corrupted file as I deleted it when we tried to start the scenario again I didn't want Dropbox-folder (use CM Helper) with the same name. Tried to use Dropbox feature to resurrect recently deleted files but can't get it to work. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vacillator Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 28 minutes ago, Ultradave said: I just returned my turn 005 to Tim, with no issues. Did my initial first moves. I think we're good. Affirmative, all working so far and 006 returned. Now to have my *** handed to me . FWIW I'm on PC and have not removed any of my vast plethora of mods (but mine are obviously not the same collection as yours). Dave is on a Mac, not sure about his mods but I think he normally runs 'clean'. It is a big map and for me takes a while to load, but once in seems fine and is the usual quality we know and love from @George MC 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warts 'n' all Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 Trouble with Mods? You need the Old Bill. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultradave Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 38 minutes ago, Vacillator said: Affirmative, all working so far and 006 returned. Now to have my *** handed to me . FWIW I'm on PC and have not removed any of my vast plethora of mods (but mine are obviously not the same collection as yours). Dave is on a Mac, not sure about his mods but I think he normally runs 'clean'. It is a big map and for me takes a while to load, but once in seems fine and is the usual quality we know and love from @George MC Actually my RT has a bunch of mods, now that there is no RT testing going on. No issues. Dave 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vacillator Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 We're still going, up to turn 010 so I think we don't have the reported issue here. Not yet, not yet... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultradave Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 Yes, so far so good. I haven't lost any Panthers yet to long range fire so that's good. Dave 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocketman Posted December 14, 2022 Author Share Posted December 14, 2022 On 12/13/2022 at 5:14 PM, BFCElvis said: As I said, I have seen mods do all sorts of wild things. Even, as my last post says "Things you would never expect were related. " That said, if you want to take a deeper dive let's open a Help Desk ticket and see if we can sort this out. Especially if removing the mods doesn't clear it up. Happy to help any way I can. No. Not yet anyway. The next one will as it will contain PBEM++ and the tournament feature. But nothing in the v2.12 PBEM was touched that I am aware of. Now I have a save of a first "turn" (without mods) that doesn't show a password prompt. Analyzing this save might reveal a cause for future corrupted files. The save is started by the German side, but I get the same with starting as Soviets. Should I open a help desk ticket or send the save to you? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFCElvis Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 17 minutes ago, rocketman said: Now I have a save of a first "turn" (without mods) that doesn't show a password prompt. Analyzing this save might reveal a cause for future corrupted files. The save is started by the German side, but I get the same with starting as Soviets. Should I open a help desk ticket or send the save to you? Sure, open a ticket and I can get more information from you and run it up the chain of command. Thanks for yanking the mods and trying it. Right now, it definitely appears to be somefink specific to your system. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiveNoMore Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 I had the same issue as Rocketman. When starting the game it does not require a password on turn 1. The password request is turn 3. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFCElvis Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 6 minutes ago, LiveNoMore said: I had the same issue as Rocketman. When starting the game it does not require a password on turn 1. The password request is turn 3. Thanks. Is it for any PBEM or this 1 specific battle? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocketman Posted December 14, 2022 Author Share Posted December 14, 2022 Ticket submitted. I have tried more scenarios and "Cat and Mouse" is the only one causing this so far. Never have had that before, nor on this PC that I've had for 18 months. @LiveNoMore above and I have a game going with a scenario from the Battle Pass and no problems with that at all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultradave Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 On 12/14/2022 at 12:06 PM, BFCElvis said: Thanks. Is it for any PBEM or this 1 specific battle? Yes, can confirm. Only this one that I've run into. Dave 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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