IMHO Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 (edited) Agree, it's very much possible. I'd wait for a couple days yet the dead silence from RU media whores is so telling. Yet I'd wait as there were many cases that ended up being a UKR psyops. Though many were a blind and useless denial of the Tuvan Marshal PRĀ Edited February 24 by IMHO 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harmon Rabb Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 (edited) Ā All over my Twitter feed right now. Edited February 24 by Harmon Rabb 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinophile Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 53 minutes ago, MikeyD said: The simplest explanation is (A) if a plane is somewhere where it hadn't ought at night its liable to attract unwanted friendly attention. The more 'heroic' explanation is (B) a daring infiltration of Ukr AA units on a near-suicide mission. The more sci-fi explanation is (C) new unsuspected technology. My guess is a combination of A and C. The plane got a missile warning alert that caused it to maneuver wildly, which then spooked the local air defense. But what do I know?Ā Huh, interesting idea.Ā 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASL Veteran Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 Don't know if anyone already posted this but I thought it was interesting 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinophile Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 2 hours ago, Jiggathebauce said: I don't get why Russians keep claiming FF. It makes them look bad, and it makes it out like the key to defeating the Russian air force is their own air defense. Lmao Silly boy, only Ivan can shoot down Ivan! LGBTQ Western missiles fired by brainwashed ignorant UKR puppet peasants are useless against uber-manly Russki Mir Tech!Ā Sounds stupid but literally a propaganda line.Ā 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinophile Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 Who could forget this lady. Damn she was on point.Ā Ā 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinophile Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 ISW headscratching.Ā Lol 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offshoot Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 2 hours ago, Jiggathebauce said: I don't get why Russians keep claiming FF. It makes them look bad, and it makes it out like the key to defeating the Russian air force is their own air defense. Lmao I do wonder how much impact the Ukrainian drone offensive on Russian soil has led to Russian AA jitteriness. How you could misidentify an A50 for a drone or missile though is anyone's guess, so what would these guys have thought they were actually firing at? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMHO Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 Andrei_BT explanation seems a deliberate misplacement of guilt (yet neither denying nor confirming the fact)Ā Ā S-200 / S-300 are made to be be radio guided up to whatever end one desires. Let's see. PS It's interesting to see him referenced here.Ā Flashback from late 90s Ā He is really good. We spoke few times in late 90s regarding tank production cost model. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMHO Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 16 minutes ago, Kinophile said: Who could forget this lady. Damn she was on point.Ā Theoretically speaking 400K are not needed, one is enough. But he does not listen no anyone 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongLeftFlank Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 (edited) 2 hours ago, IMHO said: You sure you can a be a reliable and referencable source if you missed these basic things? Ā Ā Ā @GrigbĀ is one of the best contributors to this thread. Just sayin'. **** VERIFICATION REQUEST. Is it true Russia only has one more A50 AWACS?Ā Or is this yet another Sushko disinfo special? Ā Edited February 24 by LongLeftFlank 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMHO Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 (edited) 1 hour ago, Offshoot said: By order of Russian MoD, we are tired of not being believed when we say friendly fire downed our planes. Therefore, if you launch AA rockets at target you must video it and upload it to internet so we can prove to decadent and ineffectual west we shot ours down. Someone highly placed published whole two artilces in The Economist and in CNN to prove further fighting will cost too much blood yet someone even higher placed is so much bent on his messianic ideas that was ready to risk his whole whore by replacing his best commander and his whole team in the middle of the most dangerous period for voicing dissenting opinion and being posing a possible danger of winning an election against a democratic president (or he was thought democratic before launching criminal probes against his main opponents). And IRL the commander fought valiantly and despite his objections never failed to execute political orders he even disagreed with. Sounds familiar? Edited February 24 by IMHO 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinophile Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 4 minutes ago, IMHO said: Someone highly placed published whole two artilces in The Economist and in CNN to prove further fighting will cost too much blood yet someone even higher placed did not believe it and got rid of his best commander for voicing dissenting opinion though the former one fought valiantly and despite his objections never failed to execute political orders. Sounds familiar? OH yes,Ā UKR civilian government = Russian autocratic murderous invasive regime.Ā I forgot that useless canard for 5 minutes, but thanks for the reminder.Ā Here we go. Yet again.Ā 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinophile Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 Fun times in The Russian Army. A complete Laugh Riot.Ā 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMHO Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Kinophile said: OH yes,Ā UKR civilian government = Russian autocratic murderous invasive regime Yeah, I left my country 1.5yrs ago, zeroed out all my previous life and business network that were so carefully built over many decades. Surely I did that just to be able to preach around the ideas that kill hundreds of thousands of people out of absolute craziness. Pls don't equate me with Russian propaganda, I eat enough **** trying to build a new life in a new country so late in age, yet never for a second did I believe I chose wrong. Edited February 24 by IMHO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris talpas Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 2 hours ago, Twisk said: What I've picked up is that they can't admit that the Ukrainian "Untermenschen" have the capability to do this so the next best thing is to blame their own AD. I also sorta suspect its the nature of the authoritarian system. You can blame the AD network all day and no one is going to come out swinging about incompetency unless they want to see the inside of a prison and possibly find themselves on the next train to the western front.Ā However, by crediting Ukraine you are creating a situation where people might start taking actions driven by fear. I wonder if that however demotivates and creates resentment in the air defence forces? Ā Could that contribute to their low levels of effectiveness? Ā Compared to Ukraineās relative rate of success in shooting down drones, for example, the Russians have been rather abysmal. Ā Not to imply that their air defence isnāt to be trifled with. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMHO Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Kinophile said: Fun times in The Russian Army. A complete Laugh Riot.Ā Seems like you are prone to making swift and uneducated judgements. The tag says "There's no place to cowards in this world" and the poor guy is in Russian Army uniform yet in Ukrainian warming coverall. If it's not a total set up. If it's authentic it's Wagner hanging his own, they did have brutal rules. So just open Google translate before meting out justice. Edited February 24 by IMHO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazing 88's Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 2 hours ago, IMHO said: And what? Some camera feeds from God knows what logistics parks? You wanted to collect my browser fingerprints or what? What part of "ticker" do you not get? Oh, right. You would have to read. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinophile Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 (edited) 6 minutes ago, IMHO said: Seems like you are prone to making swift and uneducated judgements. The tag says "There's no place to cowards in this world" and the poor guy is in Russian Army uniform yet in Ukrainian warming coverall if it's not a set up. If it's authentic it's Wagner hanging his own, they did have brutal rules. So just open Google translate before meting out justice. And again...and again... and again... *checks watch*. Edited February 24 by Kinophile 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongLeftFlank Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 3 minutes ago, IMHO said: Seems like you are prone to making swift and uneducated judgements. Thanks for the clarification, but you might consider thumbing down the ad hominem attacks a bit. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinophile Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 (edited) Hilarious **** posting of that UK MOD doc on drones... Ā Edited February 24 by Kinophile 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinophile Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 FWIW, Tom Cooper is saying S-200 https://xxtomcooperxx.substack.com/p/ukraine-war-23-february-2024-evening?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2 @Grigb?Ā 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Capt Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 28 minutes ago, IMHO said: Seems like you are prone to making swift and uneducated judgements. The tag says "There's no place to cowards in this world" and the poor guy is in Russian Army uniform yet in Ukrainian warming coverall. If it's not a total set up. If it's authentic it's Wagner hanging his own, they did have brutal rules. So just open Google translate before meting out justice. Dude, take your meds or something. Ā You have come out swinging on a number of issues even when it was clear you were way off base. Ā You were going after folks on that A-50 when it was clear that you were looking at an older incident - and not the one with the posted video from the last 24-48 hours. Ā Now you are coming at someone else for whatever the hell this is aboutā¦gee you think Russian troops could not get their hands on Ukrainian coveralls? Ā Kinophile commented on how the Russian Army has brutal practices and you objectā¦so your position is that the Russian Army does not have brutal practices? Ā Based what? Ā The sign translation? You seem to be in a fighting mood for the sake of simply fighting. Ā Seriously go to a bar and get smacked around, get it out of your system and then come back. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harmon Rabb Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 (edited) Alright fellas enough games, I'm gonna post some serious experts on aerial warfare. David Sacks and Anon posting on 4chan. Ā Edited February 24 by Harmon Rabb 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offshoot Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 (edited) 1 hour ago, LongLeftFlank said: VERIFICATION REQUEST. Is it true Russia only has one more A50 AWACS?Ā Or is this yet another Sushko disinfo special? This is the best article on the A-50 situation I saw (it was written after the mid-January downing of one) - https://breakingdefense.com/2024/01/after-historic-shoot-down-why-russia-will-struggle-to-replace-its-a-50-aewc-plane/ According to it, the loss of the specialist personnel could be as significant as the loss of the plane. Edited February 24 by Offshoot 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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