Seedorf81 Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Battlefront.com said: Interesting. This was a launched weapon of some sort. You can see it launching from the woodline and if you look carefully after you can see at least one Russian in that position. This is VERY close range, perhaps 25m or so. That's way too short a distance for most ATGMs to arm. What it looks like to me is the missile traveled for only 15m or so then boosted and covered the remaining distance to impact the CV-90. The explosion indicates either the warhead was armed or that it struck ERA (if Ukraine has stuck any on). Curious. Steve In the movie "RED" (or its sequel) a revolverbullet hits an incoming RPG-rocket. Tv-show "mythbusters" had an episode that showed that such an unlikely hit was in fact a real (very rare) possibility. Could it be that a round from the CV90 gun hit the incoming missile? Edited July 27, 2023 by Seedorf81 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teufel Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 (edited) 51 minutes ago, dan/california said: Like I just said... Check out the “Bofors 3P” 40/57mm ammunition. Worth knowing is that the auto-cannon of CV40 has its origins in an old AA gun. The Bofors rounds were developed for use against trenches and fortifications where direct hits were difficult. Having them explode just above trenches or other obstacles the fragmentation rounds rained down tungsten pellets. BAE Systems is actually working on next generation of these, can you guess for what purpose? Let me lend you a clue, if I may? Edited July 27, 2023 by Teufel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiduk Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Beleg85 said: One of forts times in this war when we can observe situation vehicles vs. antitank ditches/"dragon's teeth". It is not the first line, though according to maps. Yellow mark on the map. And Russian close video with this BMP. Operator says there are 3 "200th" inside, but obviously BMP was directed in unmanned mode. Maybe UKR testing BMP vs.ditch (but I doubt), but maybe and Russian staged video "look at fool ukies" %) Edited July 27, 2023 by Haiduk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiduk Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 (edited) Estimated UKR progress for yesterday But price is high. It's example why idea of initial involvemnt of tough Bradleys was right. New brigade, which should develop success lost seven vehicles on battlefield abandoned and destroyed close to main enemy trenches. This is 2,6 km from eastern outskirt of Robotyne. BMP-1 detanated after ATGM or RPG hit in side hull Edited July 27, 2023 by Haiduk 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiduk Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 (edited) Ukrainian units of 35th marines brigade and 7th battalion "Arey" of Ukrainian Volunteer Arny (of Dmytro Yarosh) libereated Staromajorske village (V.Npvosilka salient) Yesterday situation map for this sector Edited July 27, 2023 by Haiduk 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teufel Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Battlefront.com said: Interesting. This was a launched weapon of some sort. You can see it launching from the woodline and if you look carefully after you can see at least one Russian in that position. This is VERY close range, perhaps 25m or so. That's way too short a distance for most ATGMs to arm. What it looks like to me is the missile traveled for only 15m or so then boosted and covered the remaining distance to impact the CV-90. The explosion indicates either the warhead was armed or that it struck ERA (if Ukraine has stuck any on). Curious. Steve Here is good example of what you just described of ATGM at close range. This is from Mariupol 2022 when NLAW was fired at T-72 from really close range. The impact ignited the fuel as the distance was too short to arm prior hitting the tank. No clue what happened in the CV90 video, could be something similar. It looks like it does get hit second time and that hit is similar to first one. Video is cut short and resolution doesn’t lend much help in this regard. https://www.forbes.com/sites/sebastienroblin/2022/03/31/analysis-when-tank-busting-goes-wrong/amp/ Edited July 27, 2023 by Teufel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cesmonkey Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 14 minutes ago, Haiduk said: Ukrainian units of 35th marines brigade and 7th battalion "Arey" of Ukrainian Volunteer Arny (of Dmytro Yarosh) libereated Staromajorske village (V.Npvosilka salient) Yesterday situation map for this sector Thanks for those updates. This is the source for those maps, right? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akd Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Battlefront.com said: Interesting. This was a launched weapon of some sort. You can see it launching from the woodline and if you look carefully after you can see at least one Russian in that position. This is VERY close range, perhaps 25m or so. That's way too short a distance for most ATGMs to arm. What it looks like to me is the missile traveled for only 15m or so then boosted and covered the remaining distance to impact the CV-90. The explosion indicates either the warhead was armed or that it struck ERA (if Ukraine has stuck any on). Curious. Steve This is RPG-7. You are seeing the booster rocket kick in after launching charge. Edited July 27, 2023 by akd 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiduk Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, cesmonkey said: This is the source for those maps, right? Yes. I wonder what source of his map layer. Though, his location of units often too conditional, but useful enough. Edited July 27, 2023 by Haiduk 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan/california Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 40 minutes ago, Teufel said: Check out the “Bofors 3P” 40/57mm ammunition. Worth knowing is that the auto-cannon of CV40 has its origins in an old AA gun. The Bofors rounds were developed for use against trenches and fortifications where direct hits were difficult. Having them explode just above trenches or other obstacles the fragmentation rounds rained down tungsten pellets. BAE Systems is actually working on next generation of these, can you guess for what purpose? Let me lend you a clue, if I may? Yes a top grade 40mm gun with radar, infrared, and a 99% automatic targeting system can knock down drones in quantity. But as the The_Capt has discussed at length, that vehicle, with that gun, and that targeting system, is going to cost a MINIMUM of five million dollars. U.S./NATO needs thousands of them. given that guns have a relatively short effective range you need one of them for every mech platoon and artillery battery, at least one for every last 5k of a supply run, and, and.... It gets expensive rather quickly. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinkin Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 A bit of the "Northern front" I wonder if Wagner just hanging out there is somewhat annoying to the UA when they are trying to breakthrough to the south? https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/with-wagner-in-belarus-tension-grows-on-northern-ukraine-border/ar-AA1epzu9 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan/california Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 Just now, kevinkin said: A bit of the "Northern front" I wonder if Wagner just hanging out there is somewhat annoying to the UA when they are trying to breakthrough to the south? https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/with-wagner-in-belarus-tension-grows-on-northern-ukraine-border/ar-AA1epzu9 If Wagner does anything from Belarus Ukraine can demonstrate the meaning of interior lines and go take Minsk. It would be glorious. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cesmonkey Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Haiduk said: Yes. I wonder what source of his map layer. Though, his location of units often too conditional, but useful enough. From his twitter post he says this as the source of his maps:https://twitter.com/AndrewPerpetua (Ultimately OpenStreetMaps and OpenTopoMaps) And this is the source of his units:https://twitter.com/projectowlosint Edited July 27, 2023 by cesmonkey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teufel Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 (edited) 24 minutes ago, dan/california said: Yes a top grade 40mm gun with radar, infrared, and a 99% automatic targeting system can knock down drones in quantity. But as the The_Capt has discussed at length, that vehicle, with that gun, and that targeting system, is going to cost a MINIMUM of five million dollars. U.S./NATO needs thousands of them. given that guns have a relatively short effective range you need one of them for every mech platoon and artillery battery, at least one for every last 5k of a supply run, and, and.... It gets expensive rather quickly. There is no doubt that modern warfare is expensive, great posts on this few pages back. Was in context of combined arms and associated costs and complexity of training. Not suggesting drones are not part of the future, if anything this war has demonstrated their usefulness. Claiming otherwise is sleeping under a rock for the past year and half. Needless to say, there are plenty of well paid people tasked with figuring out integrated systems as well as counter measures. One interesting such is the Israeli “Trophy” system, which the Russians quickly countered (claimed at least) with the RPG-30. Point being, there are no silver bullets around and we are looking at very interesting things in the near future. PS! The BAE Systems platform is actually starting at around 2 MUSD. It’s not cheap but much like IKEA and Volvo it’s good value for your money. Edited July 27, 2023 by Teufel 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiduk Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 Russian Mi-26 heavy helicopter is out of service likely for long time. Yakutia Repuplic. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan/california Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 9 minutes ago, Haiduk said: Russian Mi-26 heavy helicopter is out of service likely for long time. Yakutia Repuplic. Someone is headed straight for the worst trench in the whole war... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teufel Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 (edited) More updates of frontlines Edited July 27, 2023 by Teufel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seedorf81 Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 (edited) Some of the interesting observations in this vid: - Drones make Javelin obsolete - Russians use Kornets in stead of tanks for defense (which makes life even harder for Ukraine -attackers, unfortunately) Edited July 27, 2023 by Seedorf81 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FancyCat Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 Mass vs Precision….we must recall the importance of Western vs Soviet, tho we don’t have hard numbers, and probably not till the end of the war, Western vehicles, are essential for allowing survivability of personnel. I do think that this preservation of personnel has far reaching consequences for Ukraine, for the validity of future conflicts, for the world to consider. I am not smart enough to write on it, but I do think consideration of this has more to be analyzed. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiduk Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 43rd high-power artillery brigade still use 2S7 guns as well as PzH2000 (and potentially Archer). Brigade operates separately by own battalions and even batteries on different front sectors 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teufel Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 (edited) Bonus entry from end of May 2022 - speaking of putting Russians out of their misery. Evacuation of wounded soldiers runs over a mine. At least they didn’t suffer for long from their injuries after being evacuated. Edited July 27, 2023 by Teufel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danfrodo Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 Hey all, just had a few minutes to go through the posts. Thanks for the great info to keep folks like me informed. Looks like UKR really pushing now. Spent 2 months attacking, shaping, more shaping more attacking, to get in best position possible. We've seen a huge amount of RU materiel go up in smoke, that has to help though might not be noticable the first few days. After that RU arty shortages, if real, might become more apparent. Also, RU wisely put lots of mechanized units up north plus a lot of arty -- Thanks Putin! Fingers crossed for the next week or two. Every UKR casualty is such a terrible tragedy, but hopefully they can cause RU collapse and end this damn war. Now, back to day job, dang it. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teufel Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 4 hours ago, dan/california said: Like I just said... Right on the money you were! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesertFox Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 (edited) After weeklong gnawing their teeth into the defenses, it seems like the UAF is taking up speed near Robotyne and Staromayorske. Tokmak is getting HIMARSed also... NOELs Sitrep for today Edited July 27, 2023 by DesertFox 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
womble Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 Quote General Staff of the RF Armed Forces have given a order to withdraw from Robotyne and Urozaine They really don't like being surrounded, do they? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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