Lethaface Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 In a PBEM played recently I had a pair of Mi-24P Hinds with AT-6 missiles (Playing as UKR vs UKR in CMBS 2.16 BFC). Over the course of the battle I guess some ~10 ATGMs were fired, all of which exploded off map. The Mi-24 were doing fine on gun runs. I thought it was a bit too much for bad luck, and just came upon a post in CMCW where a similar issue seems to be present: I do have saves available if needed. Screen: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey_Fox Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 I experienced the exact same behaviour, all the missiles nosedived into the ground. Also have save files available. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanir Ausf B Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 This is probably the same bug afflicting AT-6s and Hind-Es in Cold War. It has been reported to the authorities. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lethaface Posted January 14, 2022 Author Share Posted January 14, 2022 1 hour ago, Vanir Ausf B said: This is probably the same bug afflicting AT-6s and Hind-Es in Cold War. It has been reported to the authorities. Great! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 Let's ping @BFCElvis just to be sure. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 Since this matter has been. duly reported to BFC, there should be no spiraling over SPIRAL. Had to say it! On a more serious note, do the Russians use anything with what they call the 9K114 Shturm? Don't have my CMBS Manual handy, but was thinking it might be a low end attack helicopter armament option. Regards, John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lethaface Posted January 19, 2022 Author Share Posted January 19, 2022 (edited) 30 minutes ago, John Kettler said: Since this matter has been. duly reported to BFC, there should be no spiraling over SPIRAL. Had to say it! On a more serious note, do the Russians use anything with what they call the 9K114 Shturm? Don't have my CMBS Manual handy, but was thinking it might be a low end attack helicopter armament option. Regards, John Kettler No, that launcher is not featured on helicopters (although it is utilized by the 9P149 Shturm-S vehicle). Although I'm not sure if there is difference between missiles AT-6 Spiral and 9K114 Kokon. Edit: I was somehow confused by the manual / your question (and it being too late). The launcher is called Shturm, the missile Kokon. Nato calls them AT-6. Then there is the Shturm-S ATGM vehicle which came later. So the AT-6 Spiral = 9K114 Shturm. Edited January 19, 2022 by Lethaface 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 Lethaface, Thanks. Given that when the Russians invaded Georgia, to maintain OPSEC and OPDEC, the used lower category units and equipment, it doesn't seem at all odd to me that, at some point, BFC might add in the option for the Russians to use older weapons. Regards, John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lethaface Posted January 19, 2022 Author Share Posted January 19, 2022 1 minute ago, John Kettler said: Lethaface, Thanks. Given that when the Russians invaded Georgia, to maintain OPSEC and OPDEC, the used lower category units and equipment, it doesn't seem at all odd to me that, at some point, BFC might add in the option for the Russians to use older weapons. Regards, John Kettler Actually I think it is the same as AT-6. The ATGM vehicle is called the Shturm, it fires the 9M114 Kokon missile. That missile has NATO reporting name AT-6. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9K114_Shturm 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lethaface Posted January 19, 2022 Author Share Posted January 19, 2022 Mm my post editing didn't work. Anyway I was confused by your question / manual (and it being late). The launcher is called the 9K114 Shturm while the missile it holds/fires is the 9M114 Kokon (intended for use on helicopters). Later they also developed the 9P149 Shturm-S ATGM tank destroyer. However, the 9K114 Shturm + 9M114 Kokon = AT-6 Spiral. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Lethaface, Am so used to decades of ASCC designators for Soviet, Warsaw Pact and now Russian weapons that I still flounder when keeping the GRAU designators and transliterated Russian names straight. Frankly, I don't know how the Russian troops are able to keep all that alphanumeric GRAU soup straight in the their head, especially for weapon systems which have an array of also GRAU designated components.Back when I was in military aerospace, we had no transliterated Russian name for the AT-6/SPIRAL at all. We did have that info for earlier ATGMs, though. Regards, John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearstronaut Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 I am also seeing this problem. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 It's a known and reported issue for two titles and will very probably be fixed in the next round of patches. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 Lethaface, Was this a QB or a scenario? In my limited CMBS play, I've learned the hard way that relying on air assets can be pretty iffy. Bought a pair of drones once, and they didn't last long enough to direct a single fire mission. Never was able to afford even a helo for CAS, much less a jet. My solution was 120 mm mortars, with 155 mm, budget permitting. Regards, John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexUK Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 This is a big bug... Playing the last CMBS shield of Kyiv campaign and it is exceedingly difficult with this bug. 4 hinds on call loaded with atgms. None hitting, all detonating off-map. Any chance of an Eta? Super frustrating to play at the moment. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Capt Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 On 3/31/2022 at 1:36 PM, AlexUK said: This is a big bug... Playing the last CMBS shield of Kyiv campaign and it is exceedingly difficult with this bug. 4 hinds on call loaded with atgms. None hitting, all detonating off-map. Any chance of an Eta? Super frustrating to play at the moment. Fellas, this bug spans titles, we are seeing the same in CMCW. Been reported and worked on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexUK Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 On 4/1/2022 at 11:40 PM, The_Capt said: Fellas, this bug spans titles, we are seeing the same in CMCW. Been reported and worked on. Thanks for the response. Any idea of eta for patch? Original 2022 plans were for Cold War update in 1st qtr. I can assume that has slipped (not least due to current events), but would be very helpful to have a rough updated timescale if possible. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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