BornGinger Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 (edited) On 6/14/2020 at 6:00 PM, RockinHarry said: Hope we could start some "Scripting AIP solution center" sort of thread anytime soon. After the next patch release maybe. If you are talking about the patch release which comes with the new Red Thunder DLC, so yes. But now when there apparently is an engine 5 coming in a few years, I think we shouldn't wait that long but start that thread asap so BF could have a thread with collected requests and changes we'd like to the games which they could go to and see what their fanbase, or whatever we could call ourselves, would like to have as a way to improve the games. Edited January 16, 2021 by BornGinger 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glubokii Boy Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 (edited) What has been annonced is not a NEW game engine but rather an updated version of the current one, CM2. We are currently playing version 4 of that engine. The update is not years away. It's scheduled to be released this year. The new game engine that people are talking about is CM3...and that one probably is quite some time away... Edited January 16, 2021 by RepsolCBR 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glubokii Boy Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 1 hour ago, BornGinger said: Time to wake this thread up with a question. How is it with AI triggers and quick battles? Don't they have any function in quick battles? I'm making a quick battle map and painted an "AI Trigger (enemy)" line and after that did a test in Author Mode with my troops reaching and thus activating that trigger just to see that the AI-group didn't react. Try 'trigger friendly'.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornGinger Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, RepsolCBR said: not a NEW game engine but rather an updated version of the current one I know. But Steve called it Engine 5 in the bones thread he posted some weeks ago so that is what I did. Quote Try 'trigger friendly'.... I have put the AI-group to be not Normal, not Cautious but Active. So they are trigger friendly alright. But if you meant Trigger (Friendly), that won't help as they are supposed to rush forward and deal with the player's opposing troops. Edited January 16, 2021 by BornGinger 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 This might sound silly, but I've done it myself.....Are you writing the AI for the right side? When you go back into the editor after testing something it always defaults to Blue Plan 1.....It is remarkably easy to forget this after a long session of scripting & testing, leading to much frustration until either coffee or sleep resolves things! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glubokii Boy Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 I belive that the terrain objective you are using for the trigger should be... - Friendly in zone Not eneny... Its your troops moving into it... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornGinger Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 It seems I have to explain how I planned this: The AI-group belongs to the AI-Allies and is supposed to rush forward to a position from where they can shoot at the Axis-Player. To make this possible I painted an area as Trigger (Enemy) so that when the Axis-Player's troops enter that area the Trigger (enemy) area-trigger gets activated and the AI-group does its duty. But nothing happens. After having checked other quick battle maps, it seems that none of them is using triggers of any kind, no Trigger (enemy) and no Trigger (Friendly), but all of them use only the order "Exit between... and" with movements for ever minute after the previous movement. So after Setup it's usually for example: [Order 2] Exit between 02:00 and 03:00, [Order 3] exit between 03:00 and 04:00, [Order 4] exit between 04:00 and 05:00 and so on. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glubokii Boy Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 According to the manual... - In QBs all terrainobjectives are changed to OCCUPY. Could this be the reason perhaps ? Preventing triggers from being used... I don't know ...I have never messed with QB maps...only scenarios. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornGinger Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 That must be the reason to why it doesn't work 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macisle Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 12 hours ago, BornGinger said: Time to wake this thread up with a question. How is it with AI triggers and quick battles? Don't they have any function in quick battles? ... In working on my CM:RT project, I've been unable to get terrain triggers to work in the QB environment. Testing shows the same setup will function in scenario mode, but not QB ...which really bites. Hope there is a workaround or code fix on the horizon. The context I've been testing in is trying to have AI troops hide during setup to protect from arty and have them unhide when the player's forces move in to attack. Again...haven't been able to get it to work in QB mode. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornGinger Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 (edited) As stated above from @RepsolCBR it seems triggers, which actually are terrain object markers but used in another way than terrain objects, don't work in quick battles. So I'm afraid you'll have to change those quick battle plans to be the usual "Exit between... and" and make the best of it. Hopefully Battlefront will make quick battles last longer than the two hours they are now and also allow us to make quick battles a bit more challenging to play. Edited January 17, 2021 by BornGinger 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Combatintman Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 9 hours ago, BornGinger said: Hopefully Battlefront will make quick battles last longer than the two hours they are now and also allow us to make quick battles a bit more challenging to play. They would hardly be quick then ... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glubokii Boy Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 19 minutes ago, Combatintman said: They would hardly be quick then ... Isn't it the set-up of the battle that is ment to be 'quick'....not neccessrely the actuall fight...? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Combatintman Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, RepsolCBR said: Isn't it the set-up of the battle that is ment to be 'quick'....not neccessrely the actuall fight...? Another failed joke ... maybe my wife is right as she keeps telling me I'm not funny. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glubokii Boy Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 Oohh,welll....I've heard worse 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freyberg Posted January 18, 2021 Author Share Posted January 18, 2021 On 1/17/2021 at 3:04 PM, Macisle said: In working on my CM:RT project, I've been unable to get terrain triggers to work in the QB environment. Testing shows the same setup will function in scenario mode, but not QB ...which really bites. Hope there is a workaround or code fix on the horizon. The context I've been testing in is trying to have AI troops hide during setup to protect from arty and have them unhide when the player's forces move in to attack. Again...haven't been able to get it to work in QB mode. I'm not calling you a liar, but are you sure about that...? I don't use them very often (sheer laziness), but I could swear that the times I have tried they have worked. I wonder if the terrain objectives that get converted to 'occupy' are just the 'touch' objectives (even then, I'm sure these have worked in some of the QB maps that come with the games, but I may be remembering Scenarios - I've never played with touch objectives myself). The way I've done it is to set a very wide time range for the event and make use of the trigger, so that both the trigger and the timing are activated. I didn't do a careful test, but it seemed to work. And this was in a QB map. Has anyone else tried this and could shed some light on it...? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macisle Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 4 hours ago, Freyberg said: I'm not calling you a liar, but are you sure about that...? I don't use them very often (sheer laziness), but I could swear that the times I have tried they have worked. I wonder if the terrain objectives that get converted to 'occupy' are just the 'touch' objectives (even then, I'm sure these have worked in some of the QB maps that come with the games, but I may be remembering Scenarios - I've never played with touch objectives myself). The way I've done it is to set a very wide time range for the event and make use of the trigger, so that both the trigger and the timing are activated. I didn't do a careful test, but it seemed to work. And this was in a QB map. Has anyone else tried this and could shed some light on it...? It's been a number months since I worked with it. My recollection is that I ran, maybe, 5-10 tests and could never get troops to hide and be triggered to unhide using terrain objectives as you would in a scenario. They would not wait for the trigger to unhide. I also recall testing by using the same QB plan in the scenario environment and it worked there with no changes. As others have said, standard timed orders work fine in both QB and regular environments. I do also recall using the wide time range technique, as that's SOP for me on such a trigger. But again, the same AI plan worked when played as a scenario. I don't have time to do any more testing right now. Hopefully, there is an easy workaround. If not, I would hope that BF would update to make things work. Timed orders are not a satisfactory substitute for terrain triggers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glubokii Boy Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 I don't know how to ping people on this forum...pinging Marc Ezra might be the best solution (to get his attention) After all...he's the big daddy of QBs .... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornGinger Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, RepsolCBR said: how to ping people on this forum By "ping" do you mean something like @RepsolCBR? If that's what you mean, just type an @ after which you start writing the forum name of the person you'd like to ping. If you did it correctly it should look like the one above. Edited January 19, 2021 by BornGinger 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 Wot 'e said! Just typing an '@' followed by any letter should bring up a dropdown with suggested forum ID's. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glubokii Boy Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 1 hour ago, BornGinger said: By "ping" do you mean something like @RepsolCBR? If that's what you mean, just type an @ after which you start writing the forum name of the person you'd like to ping. If you did it correctly it should look like the one above. 13 minutes ago, Sgt.Squarehead said: Wot 'e said! Just typing an '@' followed by any letter should bring up a dropdown with suggested forum ID's. Thanks guys, will try... @MarkEzra Hello... Some of us have a question regarding QB maps. The manual is somewhat unclear on this point... - Is it possible to use TERRAIN OBJECTIVE triggers on QB-maps or do those also get changed to the OCCUPY type ? Any help will be apprisiated, thanks ! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Combatintman Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 6 hours ago, RepsolCBR said: Thanks guys, will try... @MarkEzra Hello... Some of us have a question regarding QB maps. The manual is somewhat unclear on this point... - Is it possible to use TERRAIN OBJECTIVE triggers on QB-maps or do those also get changed to the OCCUPY type ? Any help will be apprisiated, thanks ! I suspect that you won't get a response - he's not been around for a while. Otherwise, I've only vaguely tinkered with QBs. The way I find stuff out about the editor is to go in and look at things. Crack open any of the QB maps that bundled with titles that came out after triggers were brought in. If any of the plans have triggers then it is clearly possible. If not I would suggest that it isn't possible. Alternately create a simple test QB and see if you can get triggers to work. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glubokii Boy Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Combatintman said: I suspect that you won't get a response - he's not been around for a while. Thanks for telling... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freyberg Posted January 19, 2021 Author Share Posted January 19, 2021 19 hours ago, Macisle said: It's been a number months since I worked with it. My recollection is that I ran, maybe, 5-10 tests and could never get troops to hide and be triggered to unhide using terrain objectives as you would in a scenario. ... I just ran a very simple test 5 times. You're right. Enemy trigger objectives are ignored, and the touch objective disappeared. Such disappointed... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glubokii Boy Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 12 minutes ago, Freyberg said: I just ran a very simple test 5 times. You're right. Enemy trigger objectives are ignored, and the touch objective disappeared. Such disappointed... I wounder why that is ? Afterall the AI plans for QBs are made by the designers...simular to scenarìos. The AI doesn't do anything on its own...all the movements and what not are scripted just like in scenarios...If a terrain objective is a touch, occupy or terraintrigger shouldn't reallt be a problem. It's the designer that guides the AI in QBs as well as in scenarios. Strange ! Thanks for testing though... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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