SchnelleMeyer Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/sep/27/10-myths-about-afghanistan 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 The Grauniad is going down hill faster & faster. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SchnelleMeyer Posted November 18, 2018 Author Share Posted November 18, 2018 What do you mean Sgt.Squarehead ? - This is a refreshing and fact based article, as opposed to most of the single view mainstream media's so called news. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 It reminded me of one of those 'Top Ten Best Tanks' or similar articles from the National Interest or War Is Boring, it contains a roughly similar amount of wishful thinking and liberal interpretation of facts too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerKommissar Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 I'm not a huge fan of the Guardian, but this article ain't bad. When I grew up we were fed a lot of BS about Afghanistan. This could be enlightening for the average reader, it is no way a peer-reviewed academic work -- by any definition. Human history has so many details that are easily ignored, but often have far reaching consequences. Gross oversimplification is an inescapable requirement for any such article. 18 hours ago, Sgt.Squarehead said: 'Top Ten Best Tanks' xD Yeah, I watched those videos. It just so happens that "Best" is a very subjective category -- at its best. Nothing like comparing Little Willie to a Challenger. "I like this tank 'cause it looks cool, I guess." 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 I guess I'm just down on The Grauniad. TBH I have my reasons. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bootie Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 Has anything changed in Afghanistan since the conflict wound down. I mean the Taliban are going from strength to strength again... their are taking over the rural areas and the ANA are withdrawing to urban hubs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 (edited) The expression 'slow-motion train-wreck' would be fairly apt IMHO: https://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2018/11/taliban-routs-commando-company-in-one-of-afghanistans-most-secure-rural-districts.php Beginning to wonder if the planned 'Exit Strategy' might not depend on helicopters & the embassy roof. Edited November 24, 2018 by Sgt.Squarehead 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimpleSimon Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 "The reality is the Afghan mujahideen did not defeat the Soviets on the battlefield. They won some important encounters, notably in the Panjshir valley, but lost others. In sum, neither side defeated the other. The Soviets could have remained in Afghanistan for several more years but they decided to leave when Gorbachev calculated that the war had become a stalemate and was no longer worth the high price in men, money and international prestige." Sounds conspicuously like "losing" to me. I do believe that overall the war was not the major catastrophe for the Soviet Union often described as such by its enemies, and that it's connection to the USSR's demise is only nebulous, at best. The idea that the Soviet Union did not lose because they never suffered a major battlefield defeat is every bit as ridiculous as American posturing to the same tune over the Vietnam war. It's a gross oversimplification only the very narrow minded can rationalize I think. "Sure we lost millions of dollars, thousands of lives, and humiliated ourselves to the rest of the world diplomatically and militarily at the same time but since the Mujahideen failed to assassinate Gorbachev we are undefeated!!!!!" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aragorn2002 Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 On 11/23/2018 at 10:29 PM, Bootie said: Has anything changed in Afghanistan since the conflict wound down. I mean the Taliban are going from strength to strength again... their are taking over the rural areas and the ANA are withdrawing to urban hubs. Sadly enough that is true. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandur Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 (edited) Quote Has anything changed in Afghanistan since the conflict wound down. It has, all the natural resources, and afghanistan has plenty, are going to the west now. In the eyes of the west, that is a success. Someone is making big big money by stealing their stuff. The war? Who cares, that is just a side show to keep the money rolling in. Edited December 2, 2018 by Pandur 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandur Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 I did not think about it enough before posting this, maybe that is too much politics but i can no longer edit my post. I recently managed to talk to persons from afghanistan, refugees in my country, for the first time ever. It was interesting to talk to them, it changed the way i view this whole thing a bit, so i could not help it and posted what i did post above. As said just ignore it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aragorn2002 Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 15 minutes ago, Pandur said: I did not think about it enough before posting this, maybe that is too much politics but i can no longer edit my post. I recently managed to talk to persons from afghanistan, refugees in my country, for the first time ever. It was interesting to talk to them, it changed the way i view this whole thing a bit, so i could not help it and posted what i did post above. As said just ignore it. One of the main reasons why the NATO-intervention in Afhanistan hasn't proved succesful, is the Afghan habbit of corruption. We could have sent twice as many troops and twice as much money and it still would have failed. A waste of good men and resources. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Combatintman Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 2 hours ago, Aragorn2002 said: One of the main reasons why the NATO-intervention in Afhanistan hasn't proved succesful, is the Afghan habbit of corruption. We could have sent twice as many troops and twice as much money and it still would have failed. A waste of good men and resources. This could be the longest thread ever it you're going to pick it apart issue by issue. My bold, many good women have lost their lives too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aragorn2002 Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 13 minutes ago, Combatintman said: This could be the longest thread ever it you're going to pick it apart issue by issue. My bold, many good women have lost their lives too. A very useful reaction. Thank you so much. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Combatintman Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Aragorn2002 said: A very useful reaction. Thank you so much. Not sure if this is sarcasm or not. If it isn't then no worries. If it is sarcasm then, my three tours of Afghanistan and a female comrade KIA suggests you should pull your head in. Edited December 2, 2018 by Combatintman 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aragorn2002 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 (edited) 15 hours ago, Combatintman said: This could be the longest thread ever it you're going to pick it apart issue by issue. Not sure if this is sarcasm or not. If it isn't then no worries. If it is sarcasm then come off your high horse, mate. Edited December 3, 2018 by Aragorn2002 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aragorn2002 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 (edited) And of course I didn't mean to exclude the brave women who made the ultimate sacrifice. I have the highest respect for those who serve. Edited December 3, 2018 by Aragorn2002 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandur Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 (edited) 20 hours ago, Aragorn2002 said: One of the main reasons why the NATO-intervention in Afghanistan hasn't proved succesful,.. I would call that the hate fueled blind rage of a giant that got the mental age of a 8 year old kid,... not an intervention. Something like that, the an eye for an eye mentality, i would expect from african tribal societies, but not from a cultured and modern western society. Too bad a country can sink so low so fast. Of course all the respect and all that, for everyone. Edited December 3, 2018 by Pandur 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aragorn2002 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 (edited) 20 hours ago, Pandur said: I did not think about it enough before posting this, maybe that is too much politics but i can no longer edit my post. I recently managed to talk to persons from afghanistan, refugees in my country, for the first time ever. It was interesting to talk to them, it changed the way i view this whole thing a bit, so i could not help it and posted what i did post above. As said just ignore it. Stick to your own advice, Pandur and stop posting about such a sensitive subject. Edited December 3, 2018 by Aragorn2002 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandur Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Aragorn2002 said: Stick to your own advice, Pandur and stop posting. You are right... . Sometimes i can not help it, i just have to say something. Edited December 3, 2018 by Pandur 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aragorn2002 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, Pandur said: You are right... . Sometimes i can not help it, i just have to say something. Happens to all of us from time to time, my friend. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandur Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 They should release the game this week, that will shut me up I so want to go into the map editor and fix up my 2 old scenarios for CMSF2. I am pretty hyped unfortunately, which makes time drag on. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aragorn2002 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 7 minutes ago, Pandur said: They should release the game this week, that will shut me up I so want to go into the map editor and fix up my 2 old scenarios for CMSF2. I am pretty hyped unfortunately, which makes time drag on. You're the lucky one, Pandur. CMSF 2 is just around the corner. I'm waiting for the CMRT module. But it will all come. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOS:96B2P Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 On 12/2/2018 at 5:45 AM, Pandur said: In the eyes of the west, that is a success. Someone is making big big money by stealing their stuff. 3 hours ago, Pandur said: I would call that the hate fueled blind rage of a giant that got the mental age of a 8 year old i would expect from african tribal societies Too bad a country can sink so low so fast. Wow ................... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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