John Kettler Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 Take a gander at this. To think I was impressed with my firearm instructor who hit steel silhouette targets at 50 yards with a .380 caliber Walther PPK! http://sploid.gizmodo.com/legendary-shooter-nails-a-1000-yard-shot-with-a-9mm-han-1617466793 Regards, John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieme(ITA) Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 Meh, don't trust marketing unless I see it with my own eyes... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skwabie Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 When you carry a license to kill, range isn't the problem... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Placebo Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 If he had to aim 150 feet into the air does that technically make it indirect fire artillery!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoMac Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 Nah ! that's still considered 'Direct Fire' since he can still see the Target...Indirect would be if he did the same, but can't see the Target. Joe 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted August 7, 2014 Author Share Posted August 7, 2014 Kieme(ITA), If anyone can make such a shot, it's Jerry. His shooting credentials speak for themselves. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Miculek Placebo, Nah. That's just holding high on the target! What's weird is that there's very little apparent muzzle elevation in the vid. That said, holding the range equivalent of 150 yards high amounts to only a 15% of the total range involved. Lacking an actual baseline trajectory diagram, it's hard to say much more. JoMc67, True. But if he breaks out the aiming stakes, a panoramic sight and fires from full defilade, then I'm calling a foul. Regards, John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Canadian Cat Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 Amazing. My son played on a hockey team once with the son of a member of JTF2. His Dad and I chatted often during practices - always unclassified stuff He used to tell stories of joint training exercises with various US special forces teams and one of the things they used to do for fun was have "who can hit targets with pistols from the longest distance". Basically they would run elimination rounds at progressively longer and longer distances until only one of the managed to hit the target. Crazy ranges. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted August 8, 2014 Author Share Posted August 8, 2014 Placebo, I screwed up! He was holding 150 feet high, not 150 yards. Regards, John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonC Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 JM has fired something like 4 or 5 million rounds in training and competition. No I am not exaggerating. Don't try this at home... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtsjc1 Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 Jerry's skills are well documented. No surprise he can do anything with a handgun. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Williams Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 I've personally seen some impressive distance shooting from a standing position with a Browning Buckmark .22 . Of course, we all know that hitting a stationary target is far, far different than trying to hit a moving target or one that is shooting back. 10 meters should probably be maximum effective distance for handguns in CM. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acrashb Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 Jerry's skills are well documented. No surprise he can do anything with a handgun. And he would have had several tries. Most people would need several tries with a rifle, on a bench / bipod. And the wind would have been almost completely quiet. Still, another great shooting example by JM. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Williams Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Handgun distance shooting is good and all, but that's not really what handguns are about. Edit: I like the police firearms instructors evaluation: "Very impressive. That is really a desired pattern to have." 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SelfLoadingRifle Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Pistols are a short barrelled weapon with no stock to steady the weapon. They are therefore very difficult to use and it takes A LOT of practice to reach a standard where they can be used with the accuracy displayed by the PPK user in Mr Kettler's movie shown at the start of this thread. The average grunt or squaddie probably gets to use a pistol only once or twice a year, hardly enough to develop the skill displayed here. In the 1940s many would never have shot one at all. We had a saying in the British Army, "If you have to shoot a pistol further than you can throw it, you are in big trouble." Under combat conditions, 25 yards would be extreme range with a pistol for the average soldier, with probably a 95% or higher chance of missing. 15 yards would be a practical maximum with probably a 70 - 80% chance of missing. He would have to get within 5 - 7 yards to have a reasonable chance of connecting and even then He would probably miss 50% of the time. It is very common for shooters under stress to miss at 3 yards... So PURLEEEZE don't think that you can use film footage of expert pistol shots performing on ranges under ideal conditions as an indication of the range at which soldiers can hit the target under combat conditions. I'm with Doug Williams on this. Please Battlefront, reduce all pistol ranges DRASTICALLY with the first patch. Absolute maximum pistol range should really be no more than 20 yards. SLR. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeFF Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 It is very common for shooters under stress to miss at 3 yards... So PURLEEEZE don't think that you can use film footage of expert pistol shots performing on ranges under ideal conditions as an indication of the range at which soldiers can hit the target under combat conditions. I couldn't agree more. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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