Tournament Idea

[Ted]

Just wanted to throw out a feeler and see if there is any interest in putting together a tournament.

(I get the distinct feeling the RoW days are over)

Here are some thoughts....

1) Four scenarios, 2 CMBN's, one American one Commonwealth and two CMFI's, again one American and one Commonwealth.

(I had a idea we could ask some of the more of the prolific scenario designers to create one scenario each for the tournament.)

2) Players would choose either to be Axis or Allied for the tournament.

3) Since scenario balance may be an issue we could have two winners, best total score Axis and best total score Allied.

4) To encourage designers and perhaps enlighten other players AAR's (After Action Reports) would be mandatory. Don't get discouraged by this idea, they could be anything from a few sentences to a play by play breakdown. AAR's are a great help to designers and can be an eye opening for fellow players. ("Oh, so if I would gone left I may have done much better." or "So that's how I should have used my artillery." etc.)

I know this has been discussed and discussed again but has anyone come to a conclusion if the Nabla scoring system works or not? And does anybody have the formula?

Anybody interested?

Thoughts?

[Erwin]

You could use the model established by "Birthday Bash" tournies at weBoB: http://webandofbrothers.yuku.com/forums/104/Birthday-Bash-10

They work really well. One is competing against players on one's own side, so balance is not an issue.

[Ted]

Looks good Erwin thanks.

There are so many well run tournaments at the WeBoB and the Blitz that the details should be easy to put together.

I was thinking of the idea, if the idea of one victor is necessary, we could have a mirrored ME final or something.

[Nelson 1812]

Here is an idea for you... what about a tournament then encompasses the clubs... say for

The Battlefront CMFI cup, for example.

The participating clubs run a couple games, select the top 3-4 players then have a tournament between them all here on the battlefront CMFI forum.

Top player wins cup for club.

[Ted]

I was thinking of a more open tournament that would enable players to meet others and find new opponents.

Inter-club play is always an option though.

How many clubs would we be talking about?

What if someone doesn't belong to a club?

[sfhand]

I'm definitely interested but other than being someone's cannon fodder I don't have much to offer in the way of experience with these things.

[Nelson 1812]

Think there are three main clubs... BoBs, FGM, and the Blitz, for "others" not competing in any of the clubs have an open's tournament here at Battlefront if they allow it. Top three from the four leagues, 12 players in all, battle for the cup.

That's if all the clubs participate.

[Erwin]

"we could have a mirrored ME final or something."

imo those are really boring (maps), you know what the other guy has if it's the same as yours, and it's still impossible to get absolute balance.

[slysniper]

Actually Ted, I like what you were thinking from the beginning, the real question is are you hosting it. Someone has to be willing to put the time in, who is it???

The club thing is too limited, plus that limits it to so few and the last thing they need is another tourney.

Having run 3 open tournaments here myself in years past, I will point out two issues.

First, I used my own scenarios when I started but did get some help with additional ones from a good designer once he knew it would really be used and the tournaments was being well runned.

The problem at the moment is, I think BF has most of the guys making good scenario's committed making scenarios for them for the upcoming releases. So it could be a problem, but you could just put a request out there for submissions from anyone and see what you get, you could review them and see if you want to use them.

The second problem is, making it open here does present this problem. I found I had some players that were not good and committed to play and stay active no matter what happens within their games. So having some way to keep that inmature type of player out is tricky. Or have some way planned as to how to complete games that will need a opponent to replace a non committed opponent. With the orig. concept, that can be resolved as easy as having someone else playing that side just picking up another game to help out. Their results would still be their orig. game. But I had some that played their games much quicker than others, so they would be waiting for the next round anyway. so I think that would be a easy answer for that problem.

But if you do get serious about this, You can sign me up as the first participant

[Ted]

"we could have a mirrored ME final or something."

imo those are really boring (maps), you know what the other guy has if it's the same as yours, and it's still impossible to get absolute balance.

Your right Erwin but I thought I'd just throw it out there for discussion.

Any other ideas for a final?

Or should we just stick with two winners.

[Ted]

Actually Ted, I like what you were thinking from the beginning, the real question is are you hosting it. Someone has to be willing to put the time in, who is it???

Sure I'll host it.

I've ran a couple of tournaments over at the Band of Brothers so I do have an idea what will be needed.

I would need a co-host though (If you were thinking of possibly volunteering )

The club thing is too limited, plus that limits it to so few and the last thing they need is another tourney.

I agree. I'd like to see an open tournament for all BF forum members.

Having run 3 open tournaments here myself in years past, I will point out two issues.

First, I used my own scenarios when I started but did get some help with additional ones from a good designer once he knew it would really be used and the tournaments was being well runned.

The problem at the moment is, I think BF has most of the guys making good scenario's committed making scenarios for them for the upcoming releases. So it could be a problem, but you could just put a request out there for submissions from anyone and see what you get, you could review them and see if you want to use them.

Good point. That didn't osccur to me.

Really all we need for now is one scenario to start the first round.

I figure the first round would take about 4 to 8 weeks depending on the size.

That would give a designer time to develop the second round scenario.

Of course, the thought of playing two scenarios at a time, if possible, could speed the tournament up.

The second problem is, making it open here does present this problem. I found I had some players that were not good and committed to play and stay active no matter what happens within their games. So having some way to keep that immature type of player out is tricky. Or have some way planned as to how to complete games that will need a opponent to replace a non committed opponent. With the orig. concept, that can be resolved as easy as having someone else playing that side just picking up another game to help out. Their results would still be their orig. game. But I had some that played their games much quicker than others, so they would be waiting for the next round anyway. so I think that would be a easy answer for that problem.

Yes there will always be players who dropout either from indifference or real life needs.

That's a good idea about having players who've all ready finished their games finish the games for others.

We could have an alternates list also.

We could limit the original sign up and any late arrivals could be put on an Alternates list and would be able to pick up where others had to dropout.

But if you do get serious about this, You can sign me up as the first participant

I'm serious enough. I'll do it if there is interest.

I not getting a warm and fuzzy from the community though.

This thread has had almost 150 views and only a few have responded.

[sfhand]

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But if you do get serious about this, You can sign me up as the first participant

Did you miss my post? Now you could have said you wanted to make use of the cannon fodder I was volunteering to provide, which would still make you the second volunteer

[Ted]

No I didn't and you're at the top of the list

CM2 BF Tournament List:

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slysniper

[sfhand]

No I didn't and you're at the top of the list

CM2 BF Tournament List:

sfhand

slysniper

Not you bro, I was sniping at the sly one

but thanks!

[slysniper]

Well, many of the guys that visit the site do it during the week, not on week-ends so give it a chance. There has been only one tournament on this forum since CMBN came out, but it had a good enough responce he had to run two brackets of 16 as I recall.

But until you get things solid as to what you are really doing and have real dates and what the requirements are, many will not commit or say anything.

It sure is not like a club site as to how people respond to these things here, that is for sure.

[Vanir Ausf B]

I'm serious enough. I'll do it if there is interest.

I not getting a warm and fuzzy from the community though.

This thread has had almost 150 views and only a few have responded.

I would be interested, but I don't own CMFI.

For whatever reason, there has been only one tournament run on these forums that I know of in the 5+ years since the first CMx2 game was released. There have been several others proposed that never got off the ground. This is very different from the CMx1 days.

EDIT: Ninja'd by slysniper

[Ted]

I know a lot of the clubs are running tournaments and it may be hard for club members to commit to one more.

Well, we'll wait awhile and see where this goes.

[A Canadian Cat]

Actually Ted, I like what you were thinking from the beginning,

+1 for just they way you thought it up. Two winners sounds fine.

I'm serious enough. I'll do it if there is interest.

I not getting a warm and fuzzy from the community though.

This thread has had almost 150 views and only a few have responded.

Count me in.

Well, many of the guys that visit the site do it during the week, not on week-ends so give it a chance.

Yep, full weekend of photography and dance at my daughter`s studio.

[Heirloom_Tomato]

Count me in for CMBN and after Gustav line comes out for CMFI