Sergei Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 A great example would be Naval War: Arctic Circle which is very much a niche wargame. They post a couple screenshots and a little preview every time they finish modeling a new unit, along with the occasional dev diary. Wouldn't you guys have preferred something like that instead of going months at a time with no new info at all? What's the point? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenAsJade Posted January 27, 2012 Author Share Posted January 27, 2012 Heh heh I didn't mean to stir up the "keep us informed" debate, though I suppose that was inevitable. It's less clear to me why BFC wouldn't tell us what we're buying when it's time to order though. Maybe this list will come at actual release, just not pre-order. GaJ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Heh heh I didn't mean to stir up the "keep us informed" debate, though I suppose that was inevitable. It's less clear to me why BFC wouldn't tell us what we're buying when it's time to order though. Maybe this list will come at actual release, just not pre-order. GaJ You might be over-thinking it. You're asking why BFC hasn't revealed what the module comes with, apart from what the module is supposed to come with. But BFC has told you what the module comes with: the module comes with what the module comes with. It's not supposed to come with anything else than what it comes with. Simple, eh? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenAsJade Posted January 27, 2012 Author Share Posted January 27, 2012 Yes, in some parallel universe where BFC doesn't update the base game with each module. GaJ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 However, it's not what you buy the module for since the update is free. Since it's not a reason to buy the module, and since you couldn't play the updated version even if you knew what was in it, you don't really need to know. And since you're getting it for free, you don't deserve to know either, you ingrate. Furthermore, you don't even want to know. Knowledge of something good that you can't have yet is never a good thing! And finally, you can't know since typically the person telling these things is either Martin or Steve and usually Charles isn't telling them either! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenAsJade Posted January 27, 2012 Author Share Posted January 27, 2012 Ah - I missed this completely. I don't have to pay anything to get the updates to CMBN that coincide with Commonwealth module? In that case, of course I'm happy to wait GaJ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranger33 Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 What's the point? Keeping interest high in the game. Giving the hardcore fans something to talk about. Letting people see what you are offering to sell them. Shrouding everything in mystery and then having two or three big news updates a year is not a good way to keep customers interested. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrailApe Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Keeping interest high high? - I'd say it was fever pitch! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
para Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 BFC constantly posting in the forums wouldn't get the module any sooner to your hairy paws. To the contrary. In fact their time would be better spent not posting in the forums at all and concentrating on game development instead! Does this also include the staff posting defending their products from the slightest criticism? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YankeeDog Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Does this also include the staff posting defending their products from the slightest criticism? Oh please. BFC responds, at best, occasionally, and then to only the stronger criticisms that are posted here on the forums. "...posting defending their products from the slightest criticism" is unnecessary hyperbole. I may be generally quite positive in my opinions about CMBN, but I have brought up several criticisms/suggestions for game improvement in the past few weeks, and BFC has not responded to a single one them in any way. I actually would like it if they responded to all of my "slightest criticisms," as at least then I would know what they think regarding the issues I have raised. But I understand that this is not a reasonable thing to expect, so I don't lose much sleep over it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 I just don't see the point in hype. It never serves anyone and most of the time is just plain misleading, resulting in a letdown. *cough* Duke Nukem Forever *cough* Get stuff to the market, THEN tell people that it's available. That's how it should work, but no, game companies like to start a marketing operation before they start work on the game itself. Since games these days don't really have a 'shelf life' because the majority are sold online, it doesn't matter how many copies are sold on the first week. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
para Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 BFC doesn't need to defend itself there are many who do it for them, anyway, I am not going to continue in this discussion because I don't want to get into argument. I have said my piece and will leave it at that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vark Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 There is a simple axiom in writing and marketing, show don't tell. Whether BF adhere is a matter of opinion. Personally I think they do less hype than they are accused of but more than they admit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 Well Steve used to be a pretty impressive one-man PR team, of a sort. He seemed to be around at all hours on th eforums anyway, dispensing opinions and info and responding to questions and criticisms, although he was never adverse to taking issue with customers he disagreed with. The few times I’ve looked in on the forums of late, I don't recall seeing any posts by him. So it's possible he's occupied doing other things...like getting the next module ready for release. Would you like to have that delayed so that he can hang out here with "the guys" more? Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chops Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 So it's possible he's occupied doing other things...like getting the next module ready for release. Would you like to have that delayed so that he can hang out here with "the guys" more? Michael Yes! I miss our sponsor. Why has he abandoned us? Every now and then he will creep out of the shadows to smack-down some wayward forum member, only to then quietly recede back into the shadows. Maybe he got fed up with the inane posts and insane arguing over every little minutia of WWII grogginess. Or more likely Mr. Emrys 17,500 posts scared the livin' bejesus out of him, and he is hold up in some mountain cave near Tora Bora. How about two tickets to the new Arrested Development movie to start hanging out with the guys again Steve? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kulik Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 The only real "features" (or at least what I would call features) were the enhanced LOS system, where height was taken into account and maybe the return for the blue bar. I'll be happy if they prove me wrong, but right now even small UI changes seem very unlikely. To me a missing "cover armor arc" in Normandy's hedgerow hell seems like a design flaw and as such should have been fixed in a day one patch. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wodin Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 There are a couple of orders that really are needed to be honest. Though the game would be even better with them I can live without. Hopefully it is addressed in the Bulge game. Though we also have to look that it wasn't added to CMBN even though it had been asked for alot with regards to CMSF. So I have my fingers crossed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 How about two tickets to the new Arrested Development movie to start hanging out with the guys again Steve? Why would movie tickets entice him when he can experience all the arrested development in the world right here in these pages? :confused: Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paper Tiger Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 To me a missing "cover armor arc" in Normandy's hedgerow hell seems like a design flaw and as such should have been fixed in a day one patch. Given that everyone, and I mean everyone, wants this in the game, it's obviously not as easy for them to 'fix' as you'd expect. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlowMotion Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 I have one very simple wish: more variety to background pictures that are shown when a scenario is loading. Those black and white WW2 photos... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenAsJade Posted January 31, 2012 Author Share Posted January 31, 2012 There are mods for that.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlowMotion Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 You mean you could have like twice as many pictures? I don't mean that there's something wrong with existing ones. I'd just like to see same ones less often. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranger33 Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Yes, I can't remember the name but there are mods that are basically just a bunch of (good) pictures in the repository. One for each side. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlowMotion Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 New Force Backgrounds red/blue were the names of the mods. Thanks! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steiner14 Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Graphics improvement: depth of field It was stated that the screenshots were not photoshopped. Since the newer ones show a depth of field effect, i assume that will be one of the enhancements. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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