Thewood1

You want tactical discussions?  Try this.
https://www.steelbeasts.com/topic/17301-the-story-of-a-merkava-company-co-on-october-7th/
 

You want tactical discussions?  Try this.
https://www.steelbeasts.com/topic/17301-the-story-of-a-merkava-company-co-on-october-7th/
 

Probably the biggest issue for setting a hard limitation is the number of variables that play into performance.  Unfortunately, players will push limits and then complain that the game isn't optimized.  Its why we can't have nice things.  I don't think setting artificial limits ion scenario building s the right way to go.
With that said, official scenarios should have some kind of base performance on recommended specs or better.  But expectations should be set that CM2 runs on outdated graphics libraries that might cause problems with newer GPUs and drivers...as we have seen.

I thought it was your imagination.

Built a test scenario of plain terrain and one Soviet mech battalion and one US mech battalion.  6km vs 3km map, which seems to be max map size.  No trees, no buildings, nothing but default grass.  Using my i13/4090 laptop at full performance settings.
Steam - 40 fps at start, around 30 on mass movement a couple turns in.
Non-Steam - about the same, with what seemed like a little more variability.
Thats also with no smoke and some dust.
I'm not seeing a big difference between Steam and non-steam in a VERY small sample.  But it again reflects that CM's performance plateaus with modern hardware.
In comparison, Steel Beasts civilian version hits and stays at 60 FPS at max settings with the same rig on a 10km x 10km map with more than a battalion on the board.  The SB scenario also has a lot of artillery and smoke happening. 
In fact, SB limits FPS to 60 so I have a lot of horse power left over.  I compare to SB because it is of similar scale, handles the graphics better in the 3D world, and has to render a lot more detail.  The main difference still seems to be CM depending on very old OpenGL libraries.  I have to assume moving off of those old OpenGL libraries is a priority for any significant upgrade for CM.

I like that term.

I ran a small benchmark using Barkmann's Corner in CMBN on both Steam and BFC version.  Saw almost no difference with the same settings and POV.  I did this when CMBN first went to Steam.  I got between 35 and 45 FPS at max settings on both runs.  Laptop 3080 ti and an Intel 10980HK.

Which is where this one should have been to begin with.  At least the Ukraine disaster of a thread is in a game forum that actually has something to do with Ukraine.

Wow...this forum has no sense of humor.

Wow...this forum has no sense of humor.

Whose grass mod is that?

Wow...this forum has no sense of humor.

Whose grass mod is that?

Wow...this forum has no sense of humor.

Wow...this forum has no sense of humor.

Whose grass mod is that?

There are security issues that Win7 just isn't prepared for.  Especially CPU level.  And consumers are the absolute biggest problem in cybersecurity.  Most big malware and ransomware attacks are done from consumer PCs that the owner doesn't even know are compromised.  Win7 absolutely cannot begin to know how to protect itself from those chip-level attacks.  That has to be done  at the chip level in conjunction with the OS.  No third-party AV software or self-help site will fix that.  Cyber-criminals drool over unprotected thermostats and Win7 PCs still connected to the internet.
Thats not even talking about GPU driver support completely going away and the lack of Win7 support for DX11 and DX12.

There are security issues that Win7 just isn't prepared for.  Especially CPU level.  And consumers are the absolute biggest problem in cybersecurity.  Most big malware and ransomware attacks are done from consumer PCs that the owner doesn't even know are compromised.  Win7 absolutely cannot begin to know how to protect itself from those chip-level attacks.  That has to be done  at the chip level in conjunction with the OS.  No third-party AV software or self-help site will fix that.  Cyber-criminals drool over unprotected thermostats and Win7 PCs still connected to the internet.
Thats not even talking about GPU driver support completely going away and the lack of Win7 support for DX11 and DX12.

Not holding out a lot of hope.   The C in BFC definitely doesn't stand for change.

There are security issues that Win7 just isn't prepared for.  Especially CPU level.  And consumers are the absolute biggest problem in cybersecurity.  Most big malware and ransomware attacks are done from consumer PCs that the owner doesn't even know are compromised.  Win7 absolutely cannot begin to know how to protect itself from those chip-level attacks.  That has to be done  at the chip level in conjunction with the OS.  No third-party AV software or self-help site will fix that.  Cyber-criminals drool over unprotected thermostats and Win7 PCs still connected to the internet.
Thats not even talking about GPU driver support completely going away and the lack of Win7 support for DX11 and DX12.

One of my clients is a large manufacturer.  A number of its factory systems are legacy Win7-based.  Win7 makes up 8% of its total PC inventory.  But Win7 makes up 40% of its security incidents.  They had a recent ransomeware attack that started on a Win7 system that couldn't get a security update that all Win11 machines got.  They are now finally replacing all of those systems.  Corporations react to risk and cost.  Its driving the final death of corporate Win7.
As more games move to DX11 and DX 12, Win7 will get left further and further behind.  CM and older games might be the last games to support DX9.  Even Steel Beasts is planning on updating to DX11+.

https://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5201/~/support-plan-for-windows-7-and-windows-8%2F8.1
The sun is setting on Win7.  AMD is heading the same way.  Large corps are all on the move of wiping out old Win7-based systems for security reasons.  That'll be the true death knell.  MS only maintained limited support for Win7 because of corporate buying. 
So bite the bullet now or move to Linux.  I have been on Win10/11 for years and have no issues.  Upgrade was easy and painless from 7 to 8.1 to 10 to 11.

Thats not true at all.  The lua is some very generic code that someone who knows nothing about coding or lua tried to feed into ChatGPT.  The AI is not some miracle of all known info and data.   Without training or access to APIs that are specific to the game/app/whatever, it will always be generic and 99% unusable.  CHatGPT is great at generating in-context text through Large Language, but without access to specific data, it is still very generic in its output.

Lets keep a little perspective on CM1 content.  Those three games by themselves were four entire theaters (more if you count side theaters like Finland) across 4-5 years of a single war were delivered over a real world timespan of 4 years.  It took another three years to get to a dodgy CMSF 1 release.  Then another 4 years to get the full CMSF game release complete.   CMBN came out a year after the last CMSF release.  Over the next 11 years, there have been a three non-WW2 (counting a re-release of CMSF) games and no modules.  But for WW2, its taken 10 years to get a much smaller scope of WW2 content compared to CM1's three games.   The peak of BFC releases, IMO was the 2010 to 2015 time period.  In the last couple years, its been kind of paltry.   
I think most of know and understand the reasoning behind smaller content releases as to units, regions, and timeframe, But games like CMBS appear to be somewhat orphaned.  There appears to be very little realistic and marketed content strategy.

The content for first gen CM is stellar.  I can live very easily with the graphics.  Its the interface that kills me after playing second gen CM.