ZPB II Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 I read in the news recently that first the Dutch and now the Germans are downsizing their militaries. Bundeswehr would go from 250 000 enrolled to 180 000. Don't remember the Dutch numbers. Sorry, only got news links in Finnish. Maybe we can see this in a patch, seeing as in quick battles I always get a massive NATO force against 3 BMPs even with a -60% modifier. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boche Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 Well this is 2010 not 2008, plus I believe if the CMSF world military spending or maybe even numbers would rise in preparation for the syrian war. Apart from that, it seems all nations in europe are downsizing everything, I mean im spanish during the last 6 years of socialist goverment (yes I went there) our armed forces have been reduced almost every year, this year we are at 84,000, 84,000!!!! and that is just in theory...this in turn has forced me to ditch my officer/NCO training and have to wait almost 12 months (minimum 4 or 5 left and enlist as a regular...) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erwin Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 UK just slashed a lot right now. Lots of squealing going on currently. Lots of parallels to what happened in the 1920's re downsizing. The question is whether the Islamic threat is akin to Hitler's rise, or if we are yet to see a new threat emerge. Only one thing is certain, that any new threat will always be different from the past, not so easy (for everyone) to recognize, and be a surprise. (If threats were anything else we probably wouldn't have wars.) The other thing to consider that the next challenges may not involve all the conventional weapons we have stockpiled and continue to develop. All that lovely stuff we play with in CMSF is I fear similar to us thinking that we're secure behind a new Maginot line. We have technologies to melt metal, to change gasoline to gunk, dissolve rubbers etc. Much more likely is war/cyberwar that disrupts our fragile economic and financial constructs. Would you want to be in a big city when the water is cut off for a few days? Arguably, we have been in a skirmish/war with the Chinese using cyberwar for well over a decade. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan8325 Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 Much more likely is war/cyberwar that disrupts our fragile economic and financial constructs. Would you want to be in a big city when the water is cut off for a few days? Arguably, we have been in a skirmish/war with the Chinese using cyberwar for well over a decade. I'll believe that. The "Stuxnet" worm was believed by many to be a state-backed attack on Iran's nuclear facilities. The program is far too big and advanced to have been developed without a large number of programmers and significant funding, and it appears to have been designed to affect a specific type of Siemens controller used on Iranian centrifuges. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/20/stuxnet-virus-may-be-sour_n_786396.html 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 I hear Britain is retiring the Harrier. Good thing the game takes place 2007 instead of 2011. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 New revelations about the North Korean nuclear capacity being significantly enhanced by Pakistan and/or Iran. Information is just starting to trickle in. The BW's downsizing is long overdue. It is one of the last "conscript" based militaries and it has an extremely poor ratio of support staff to field units. So either the BW increases dramatically to make all its infrastructure have a purpose or it downsizes the infrastructure. Going to an all volunteer force at the same time is logical. A couple of years ago the Russians let go several HUNDRED THOUSAND officers who were, apparently, sitting around doing nothing. There was a bunch of noise made, but ultimately nobody wanted to support military staff that had no tangible purpose so I get the impression that not much happened after the initial noise. Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noxnoctum Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 Wish my country would slash the defense budget http://www.globalfirepower.com/defense-spending-budget.asp We could cut it in half and still be spending 5 times the $$ as the #2 country. *There's* a way to fix the deficit . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigmac1281 Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 Nox, USA can't slash their military budget... if they did, Canada would be forced to start a military of our own, and we have better things to spend our money on. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noxnoctum Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 Ya, like pot. Lucky bastards . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sivodsi Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 Wish my country would slash the defense budget http://www.globalfirepower.com/defense-spending-budget.asp We could cut it in half and still be spending 5 times the $$ as the #2 country. *There's* a way to fix the deficit . I wonder how or where they got the figure for China from? Granted that the Chinese aren't going to reach US levels, it seems likely its a good deal more than the 'official' statistics. Also, given the relative purchasing power, I would hazard a guess that the Chinese get more bang for their Yuan than the US for their buck. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waaarg Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 Just in: S. Korea saves power but loses real estate taxes on 60 to 70 "beach front properties "(and taxes and power are hell, had one in Hawaii), and N. Korea gets to .... IDK what they get out of it....back in Saturday Night Live? My vote for SF:Korea 1950 and SF:Korea 20XX counted twice in one day! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boche Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 Talking about Korea... North Korea Shelled a South Korean populated island with hundreds of artillery shells killing atleast 2 SK soliders and wounding several soldiers and civilians... http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_9218000/9218753.stm 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boche Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 Video with the Shells falling... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-11819260 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sivodsi Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 I live in the north of Seoul, I can ride my motorbike to the DMZ in an hour and a half... where I live is well within artillery range. Seems not to be going beyond the initial exchange, thank god. If Seoul decided to launch a couple of JDAMs into the Norths artillery emplacements though... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waaarg Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 edit . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waaarg Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 Just in: S. Korea saves power but loses real estate taxes on 60 to 70 "beach front properties "(and taxes and power are hell, had one in Hawaii), and N. Korea gets to .... IDK what they get out of it....back in Saturday Night Live? My vote for SF:Korea 1950 and SF:Korea 20XX counted twice in one day! I'd edit this if I could, initial report I read said 0 reported injuries. Updated: The island is near the Koreas' disputed sea border. The attack killed at least two South Korean marines, set dozens of buildings ablaze and sent civilians fleeing for shelter. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erwin Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 Thank goodness that China is viewing the event "with concern." I feel much better knowing that the future world superpower in on the ball. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boche Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 Im all for a preemtive strike right now, China wont risk backing NK and loosing its market in the US, Russia already condemed the attack and dont think they "care" much about it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noxnoctum Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 Kudos to SK for not launching a massive counter attack and starting a nuclear war. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmar Bijlsma Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 I wouldn't go so far as to give SK kudos. If you let the DPRK sink your warships and bombard your towns then that is pretty much a fail, whatever rationale is behind it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boche Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 I wouldn't go so far as to give SK kudos. If you let the DPRK sink your warships and bombard your towns then that is pretty much a fail, whatever rationale is behind it. indeed, hopefully next time they will act accordingly, and no no nuclear war is going to start for the sake of north korea, neither sides supporting powers are willing to doom the world for said country 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan/california Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 The Chineese could collapse the North Koreans if they really wanted too. The U.S. should do two things to encourage them. First every month the NK regime continues to exist we sell the South a nice battery of Pershing 2s complete with nukes. A nice boomer,fully loaded would work too. Second, US tariffs go up ten percent a month on Chinese products, all of them. There is no reason to put up with NK and currency manipulation both. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boche Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 what happens with the us debt owned by china then? the best way to hurt china economically, (which should only be done if it supports NK in the war) would be to have US ofcourse but most importantly the EU since not only is it chinas biggest market, but the US wouldnt be alone and would be backed. and hey, if this continues ,as dan says, maybe it will be the chinease that step in and change the regine themselves 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny(FGM) Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 Second, US tariffs go up ten percent a month on Chinese products, all of them. There is no reason to put up with NK and currency manipulation both. Because you want to start a trade war at the time when your economy is at its worst state in 80+ years, way to bring about the great depression 2 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lethaface Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 Once that 1500 billion $ gets out on the streets you'll gonna need to pay the saudi's in gold for fueling those planes to bomb NK. But no way China is going to retaliate over NK I guess. Well if anything we will see a complicated game of chess the coming months or years. Good chance it will be a remise. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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