Cpl Steiner Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 Slightly off topic, but what do people make of the Iranian President's comment that "Israel should be wiped of the face of the Earth"? Tony Blair's responded today by more or less warning Iran that it would end up in a war if it carried on making statements like this, probably because Bush was busy today with domestic issues for a more high profile US statement. Has Battlefront picked the wrong middle-east target country for CM:SF? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer76 Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 This is getting very political, and farther and farther away from the game.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpl Steiner Posted October 27, 2005 Author Share Posted October 27, 2005 The game is about a possible war in the middle-east in 2007. Iran is threatening war. I would have thought that merits a comment at least. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Cairns Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 If we went to war every time an Iranian politician said "Death to Israel", we'ed all have been conscripted twenty years back. The ex-mayor of Tehran is a radical who's constituency is the poor. This goes down great with them, who are the ones it was aimed at, but that doesn't make it a change in Iranian policy or likely that they'll act. Hard as it might be to ignore the jerk standing on his own roof, shouting his head off while waving a chainsaw, about the worst thing you can do is climb up their and try and take it off him.... Peter. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtweasle Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 So how exactly will snipers be modeled? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Cairns Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 Dirtweasle, You'd kill a guy for waving a chainsaw on his own roof, isn't that a bit over the top, not to mention illegal. Wouldn't you be worried about his friends and relatives coming for you in the night, or would you just plant claymores with trip wires all around your house and hope no friends came to visit.... Peter 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dillweed Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 In the words of that one guy's neighbor I think we need to "set the Jews loose" on them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanir Ausf B Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 Meh. Iran and Israel do not border each other, so any war between them is very unlikely to involve conventional forces. Not much of a game there, I think. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M Hofbauer Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 Originally posted by Vanir Ausf B: Meh. Iran and Israel do not border each other, so any war between them is very unlikely to involve conventional forces. Not much of a game there, I think. true. both have ballistic missiles, and Israel got *da bomb*, wait a while and iran has it, too. maybe they can borrow one or two from the pakistanis, too. however, you are leaving CMSF out of the equation. in the world after CMSF: israel is in on the deal to attack syria. let's say israel gets syria. the US forces for CMSF will be drained from iraq. iraq is, for a small moment, left to itself and all civil war breaks loose until the iranians step in and take over. iran gets iraq. voila they share a common border and can now comfortably kill each other both conventional and non-conventional. all this under miss president h. clinton. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samurai man Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 Saying Israel should be "wiped of the map" is not a threat of war but a statement of opinion (reckless and inflamatory it may be)- like Pat Robertson saying Chavez should be assassinated. Notice many Jews share Ahmadinejad's opinion at least according to these guys: http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/ In any case Iran had a democratically elected government overthrown by the CIA in the 1950s and suffered a brutal 10 year war after Saddam invaded in the 1980s - backed by the CIA - so the idea of desiring nukes when their neighbor Israel has them and almost 200,000 US/UK troops surround them on 2 borders is not entirely without understanding. Though we are getting political now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melb_will Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 hi mum 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acrashb Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 Originally posted by samurai man: like Pat Robertson saying Chavez should be assassinated.Pat Robertson is not a head of state. I still think Syria is more likely, if only because it's more doable and somewhat less stable as a government. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 I heard the comments and read the context in which they were made. Seems to be typical crap aimed at the local yokels. Very, very dumb for a head of state to say something like that. Having said that, I am going on the assumption that it was carefully calculated to have some sort of effect that benefited the president in some way. Sometimes what works at home has the opposite effect elsewhere. I doubt Iran will become a battleground any time soon. Though something will happen there. Too many things swirling around, especially the domestic issues with the largely materialistic youth. Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samurai man Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 Pat Robertson is not a head of state. That's true and I'm not trying to minimize the Iranian statement, but Robertson's is reflected by many in the current Administration which alledgedly backed the failed coup against Chavez a couple years ago. A lot of oil and politics here - that's one reason why I prefer WWII ETO gaming - it's easy to view it as simple good vs. evil and we know the good guys won. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 it's easy to view it as simple good vs. evil and we know the good guys won.Obviously you don't play CMBB since that game is Evil vs. Evil (except for when playing the Fins, because they were über nice guys ) And of course there are the problems with the Western and Souther Fronts as well... such as firebombing civilian targets, leveling towns/historical structures on a hunch the bad guys were in there, the occasional large scale slaughter of POWs, looting on a massive scale, rearming the Mafia, giving away 1/2 of Europe to be plundered by the Soviets, etc. And let's not forget FDR deliberately trying to get into a shooting war with Germany even though Congress clearly didn't want one. Then of course there is all that wonderful stuff that happened in the PTO, which I don't think I need bother to detail. Yup, the morality of WWII is as clear as mud One thing I've learned over the years, when it comes to geopolitics NOTHING is clear cut and NOTHING is as it seems. Sometimes theory and reality are more closely related than other times, but nothing is clear cut good or bad. Steve [ October 27, 2005, 10:26 PM: Message edited by: Battlefront.com ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtweasle Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 Originally posted by Peter Cairns: Dirtweasle, You'd kill a guy for waving a chainsaw on his own roof, isn't that a bit over the top, not to mention illegal... Are you familiar with the old saying about how if you have to explain a joke it's not funny? Seriously? Well Peter, I'd probably just sit back, drink another beer, and wait for him to lose his balance and just fall off on his own. Of course I might also throw an apple at him too... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 If it makes you feel better, the current ultra-hard-line Iranian president was swept into office in the last election. Bush's dream of middle-east democracy come true. Still, even for Iran 'Israel wiped off the map' was a bit much - I'd say their most bellicose rhetoric in maybe 10 years. Doesn't bode well for politics in southern Iraq either, considering the Shiite links down there. my 2¢ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtweasle Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 I don't think the Bush Administration is happy with,let alone dremed up, the fraudulent elections that the people of Iran got stuck with by the Iranian revolutionary council. Trying to tag the US with dreaming of such is not even worth two cents. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 Do you mean in Iran the intolerant religious right achieved the presidency through dirty political tricks and manipulating the ignorant rural population? Gasp! Now I completely understand and agree! My original 'ironic' point was there's a law of unintended consequences at work here. Fostering democracy in a volatile part of the world is a wonderful idea - like unthawing frozen pipes in your basement on a cold winter day is a good idea. In both cases, though, you wouldn't want the whole structure to inadvertantly burn down around your ears as a result of your actions. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Cairns Posted October 30, 2005 Share Posted October 30, 2005 DirtweaslOkay, as ever it's difficult to tell whats serious and whats a joke, especially with a one line post. I think we more or less agree that the guy is talking like an idiot, but the west using force to stop him talking like an idiot would do more harm than good, Of course that didn't stop Tony rushing to the first available microphone and threatening to move towards exactly that. Peter. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dillweed Posted October 30, 2005 Share Posted October 30, 2005 Originally posted by Battlefront.com: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />it's easy to view it as simple good vs. evil and we know the good guys won.Obviously you don't play CMBB since that game is Evil vs. Evil (except for when playing the Fins, because they were über nice guys ) And of course there are the problems with the Western and Souther Fronts as well... such as firebombing civilian targets, leveling towns/historical structures on a hunch the bad guys were in there, the occasional large scale slaughter of POWs, looting on a massive scale, rearming the Mafia, giving away 1/2 of Europe to be plundered by the Soviets, etc. And let's not forget FDR deliberately trying to get into a shooting war with Germany even though Congress clearly didn't want one. Then of course there is all that wonderful stuff that happened in the PTO, which I don't think I need bother to detail. Yup, the morality of WWII is as clear as mud One thing I've learned over the years, when it comes to geopolitics NOTHING is clear cut and NOTHING is as it seems. Sometimes theory and reality are more closely related than other times, but nothing is clear cut good or bad. Steve </font> 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tagwyn Posted October 31, 2005 Share Posted October 31, 2005 Steve: Is this comment you made, cited above, a statement of fact? Or opinion? Just like your last lengthy comment? What are your taking dude? Back to developing and building interesting and challenging computer war games. Leave the "facts" to the left wing and right wing loonies. Isn't that what you wanted? Tag 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted October 31, 2005 Share Posted October 31, 2005 Tagwyn, dunno what you're going on about man. Nothing factually incorrect in my statement. So yes, statement of fact. Back to developing and building interesting and challenging computer war games.Back before I developed games I secured a degree in history, with special emphasis on WWII. Can't help it if my knowledge of history spills into my knowledge of historical games Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holien Posted October 31, 2005 Share Posted October 31, 2005 Originally posted by Peter Cairns: Of course that didn't stop Tony rushing to the first available microphone and threatening to move towards exactly that. Peter. You must have heard something different to me. But perhaps not best to discuss that here. H 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Cairns Posted October 31, 2005 Share Posted October 31, 2005 I watched him speaking live and he was way over the top. It's the mans constant over reaction and make policy on the hoof in response to the last thing he's heard that keeps getting us in a mess. Domestically it's irratating, but internationally it can get people killed... Peter. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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