rudel.dietrich Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 I have not seen this answered anywhere, nor did I comes up with an answer after a quick search. How will airpower be modeled? Will we purchase say... A F-16 variant with 2 MK-82s 4 Mavericks and the 20mm cannon? Or will we be able to purchase say a single Maverick missle strike from a unnamed aircraft? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 You will purchase a fully loaded aircraft with a predetermined load. When you go to use the aircraft within the game the weapons used will depend on the missions you request of it. Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpl Steiner Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 I watched a program about British Royal Marines in Afghanistan recently and there was an interesting sequence when they had to call in an airstrike. They wanted to take out a fairly small threat like a sniper or a small group of gunmen that had them pinned down. When they radioed for air support all that was available was an aircraft with one or more 2000 lb bombs. This was "overkill" on a massive scale apparently but they had no other choice but to call it in. When some civilians wandered near to the target building they had to scrub the mission as it was too likely to lead to civilian casualties. This sort of life and death decision-making would be nice to simulate in the game. What happens when the only weapon you have at your disposal is actually too powerful for the job? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londoner Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 Wasn't that Panorama? Was an interesting doc wasn't it. The AC was Dutch IIRC? What suprised me was the mortar/MG incident. They're sitting in the middle of nowhere in the land rovers, zero cover, taking mortars and mg fire, and in the most disinterested manor you can imagine the sgt says "we're being bracketed". Sure it looked to be extreme range for the hmg, 1-2km but the mortars were still landing fairly close. In a bloody land rover I wouldn't have hung around! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpl Steiner Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 Londoner, I'm fairly sure you are right that the program was the BBC's "Panorama". As you say, it was staggering to see how calmly the men took enemy fire in what looked like ordinary Landrovers with a few extra armour plates bolted on for good measure. IIRC the unit's role was primarily Recon, and they took their job extremely seriously. They would advance across open desert towards areas suspected of harbouring Taliban fighters and stop as soon as they started taking fire - usually from mortars or HMGs as you said. They then used binoculars to identify enemy positions and make sure no civilians were in the area before calling in whatever artillery or AC they had available. I remember one of the soldiers saying he'd served in Iraq (admittedly the quieter British sector as opposed to the Sunni Triange) and this was ten times more dangerous. I can well believe it! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamingknives Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 Well, Marines are bulletproof aren't they? Or was that waterproof? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 Well, Marines are bulletproof aren't they? Or was that waterproof?I thought they were 80 proof Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudel.dietrich Posted December 29, 2006 Author Share Posted December 29, 2006 Do you have a aircraft list up yet? And can UAVs spot and fire Hellfire missles both? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 No, we don't have an aircraft list yet. But it probably will be something like: F-15 F-16 F-117 A-10 AH-64A/D (Apache Longbow) OH-58D (Kiowa Warrior) UAVs are still as yet to be determined. We will likely include a Predetor (armed) and probably the AAI Shadow TUAV (intel gathering). Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudel.dietrich Posted December 29, 2006 Author Share Posted December 29, 2006 No AC-130? No F/A-18? I figured either one of those would be alot more common than the F-117 How about Blackhawks? AH-6J? AH-1G? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wicky Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 “If we go to war tomorrow, the Raptor will go with us,” said Gen. Ronald E. Keys, commander of Air Combat Command.Dec 16 2005 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAI Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 Any chance of a Hind making an appearance, although with extreme rarity? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 Steve, I think it would be far more interesting and realistic to have organic and inorganic air support modeled, but you as the ground commander don't get to buy what you want, instead paying for the opportunity to have it, but without direct control over the exact form it takes. Rather, the air support subroutine has a list of available air resources, with weighted availability and varying payloads and loadout depletion percentages. Further, certain air assets, likely F-117s and AC-130s, would only be usable at night or in highly permissive environments, whereas others could be used with relative impunity. I believe this would neatly mirror a situation going back to WW II in which the ground commander encounters tough resistance, starts screaming for air support, but has to take whatever's available at the time. Sure, he wants a fighter bomber loaded for bear, but he may instead get only a few strafing runs. Even so, with delivery accuracies being what they are these days, I feel that tacair is likely to exert a wholly disproportionate effect in the game relative to what CM players are used to seeing. Own goals, for example, should be relatively rare, but will really hurt if they occur. Regards, John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juan_gigante Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 No AC-130? My heart is breaking! I suppose it might be tough to pick a variant to model, as they are changing so often, but I think that the AC-130 would be a really cool and useful tool to have available. Admittedly, the 155mm howitzer on the AC-130 is basically the same as getting Paladin support, but I think that the 25mm chain gun and the 40mm Bofors guns (or whatever their counterparts would be in the variant modeled) would be really cool to have available for support fires. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoat Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 Originally posted by juan_gigante: would be really cool to have available for support fires. You know what would be cool? A turn. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperial Grunt Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 Originally posted by juan_gigante: No AC-130? My heart is breaking! I suppose it might be tough to pick a variant to model, as they are changing so often, but I think that the AC-130 would be a really cool and useful tool to have available. Admittedly, the 155mm howitzer on the AC-130 is basically the same as getting Paladin support, but I think that the 25mm chain gun and the 40mm Bofors guns (or whatever their counterparts would be in the variant modeled) would be really cool to have available for support fires. Puff the Magic Dragon.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamingknives Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 The large calibre gun on the AC130 is a 105mm howitzer, isn't it? That and one of the medium calibre systems (maybe the 40mm guns) have been replaced with a 30mm system (ammunition commonality - fires the same round as the GAU8) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rune Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 It is a 105mm, and yes, changed to the 30mm. Rune 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamingknives Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 Will it be included as air support? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 Note to self... go with gut instinct next time and don't try to improvise a list, even after making a statement like this: No, we don't have an aircraft list yet. But it probably will be something like: Guys... I was just pulling stuff out off the top of my head. No need to panic. AC-130 is something that is planned, so stop crying. There F/A-18 seems to be, from a ground standpoint, a bit of duplication considering the presence of F-15 and F-16 assets. F/A-18s would be more likely doing combat ops in support of the other side of the battlefield (i.e. from the Med Sea) and therefore it is logical to hold it back for the Marine module. As for the F-117A and F-22A, looks like if Bush gets his way the last F-117A will be fly in 2008. That's quite a bit earlier than we had expected. So I guess we should just go with the F-22A and ditch the F-117A. Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juan_gigante Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 Originally posted by rune: It is a 105mm, and yes, changed to the 30mm. Rune Last time I pull numbers out of ass without checking first. Thanks for the news, guys! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c3k Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 Obviously, the AC-130 fire will be visually simulated by a cone. If not, the ENTIRE immersion factor will be ruined. Ken 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamingknives Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 Originally posted by Battlefront.com: Note to self... go with gut instinct next time and don't try to improvise a list, even after making a statement like this: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />No, we don't have an aircraft list yet. But it probably will be something like: Guys... I was just pulling stuff out off the top of my head. No need to panic. </font> 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rune Posted December 31, 2006 Share Posted December 31, 2006 To further confuse the spookyII, there was a test being conducted to arm the ac0139U with 120mm mortar. I never did hear what happened with that. Last I heard, there were like 8 of the ac-130h and 13 of the ac-130U. I know there was money allocated for more, but I haven't been following too close. tears in my eyes from the f-14 being retired. Rune 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamingknives Posted December 31, 2006 Share Posted December 31, 2006 I think I can guess which airframe the mudbugs prefer... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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