Tank Ace Posted April 14, 2004 Share Posted April 14, 2004 Some say the PPSh others say the Thompson. Post your thoughts and opinions here. For my vote i'd have to say that it is a tie between 3. The Thompson,PPSh and the MP40. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beer Posted April 14, 2004 Share Posted April 14, 2004 I have a question about the tommy's caliber. Ive heard from some places that it was .45, others 9mm. Or did the army employ both? -Beer 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tank Ace Posted April 14, 2004 Author Share Posted April 14, 2004 .45 caliber=more stopping power 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bergerbitz Posted April 14, 2004 Share Posted April 14, 2004 I'd have to go with the PPSh. It was reliable, had a goodly ammo supply (especially with the drum mag) and it was reasonably accurate. Oh, here's a neat article I found while digging: web page 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YankeeDog Posted April 14, 2004 Share Posted April 14, 2004 Thompson, decent, but too heavy and expensive. MP40 good, but as I understand was not as reliable as the PPSh, and also not as easy to keep steady when firing a long burst. So I'll jump on the PPSh bandwagon, unless minor nation arms are a possibility, in which case I might pick the Soumi. YD 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mike Posted April 14, 2004 Share Posted April 14, 2004 The Owen also http://www.rt66.com/~korteng/SmallArms/owen.htm http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.edu/user/wbardwel/public/nfalist/owen_gun.txt http://www.specialoperations.com/Foreign/United_Kingdom/SAS/Weapons.htm 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunnergoz Posted April 14, 2004 Share Posted April 14, 2004 How about the Suomi? The squad wargames (e.g. Silent Storm) just love it. Was it that good in practice? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yacinator Posted April 14, 2004 Share Posted April 14, 2004 my favorite smg is the m3 grease gun. why? it's light, cheap, reliable and rugged. plus it came with a caliber convertion kit so if u ran out of lead u could kill a german smg gunner and take his ammo, change the barrels and u r back in action. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beer Posted April 14, 2004 Share Posted April 14, 2004 Originally posted by TANK ACE: .45 caliber=more stopping power yeah thats pretty obvious, I was asking is the tommy was issued as .45 or 9mm or both 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Dorosh Posted April 14, 2004 Share Posted April 14, 2004 Originally posted by yacinator: my favorite smg is the m3 grease gun. why? it's light, cheap, reliable and rugged. plus it came with a caliber convertion kit so if u ran out of lead u could kill a german smg gunner and take his ammo, change the barrels and u r back in action. <font size=1>help...</font> 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berlichtingen Posted April 14, 2004 Share Posted April 14, 2004 Originally posted by Beer: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by TANK ACE: .45 caliber=more stopping power yeah thats pretty obvious, I was asking is the tommy was issued as .45 or 9mm or both </font> 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berlichtingen Posted April 14, 2004 Share Posted April 14, 2004 Originally posted by TANK ACE: .45 caliber=more stopping power .45 caliber=heavier .45 caliber=lower accuracy .45 caliber=smaller magazine capacity I'd take the PPsh over the Thompson any day. The MP40 looks cool, but it really isn't a very good weapon 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berlichtingen Posted April 14, 2004 Share Posted April 14, 2004 Originally posted by Michael Dorosh: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by yacinator: my favorite smg is the m3 grease gun. why? it's light, cheap, reliable and rugged. plus it came with a caliber convertion kit so if u ran out of lead u could kill a german smg gunner and take his ammo, change the barrels and u r back in action. <font size=1>help...</font> </font> 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer76 Posted April 14, 2004 Share Posted April 14, 2004 PPSh 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yacinator Posted April 14, 2004 Share Posted April 14, 2004 quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by Michael Dorosh: quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by yacinator: my favorite smg is the m3 grease gun. why? it's light, cheap, reliable and rugged. plus it came with a caliber convertion kit so if u ran out of lead u could kill a german smg gunner and take his ammo, change the barrels and u r back in action. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- help... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nope, he's all yours wtf r u talkin' about? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Dorosh Posted April 14, 2004 Share Posted April 14, 2004 Originally posted by Berlichtingen: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Michael Dorosh: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by yacinator: my favorite smg is the m3 grease gun. why? it's light, cheap, reliable and rugged. plus it came with a caliber convertion kit so if u ran out of lead u could kill a german smg gunner and take his ammo, change the barrels and u r back in action. <font size=1>help...</font> </font> 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yacinator Posted April 14, 2004 Share Posted April 14, 2004 WTF? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sand digger Posted April 14, 2004 Share Posted April 14, 2004 Love the vocabalary range, duhhh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_UXcva Posted April 14, 2004 Share Posted April 14, 2004 Ah yes, the vocabalary. Great range, but accuracy was its weak point I am told. [ April 14, 2004, 04:44 AM: Message edited by: _UXcva ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bastables Posted April 14, 2004 Share Posted April 14, 2004 Originally posted by gunnergoz: How about the Suomi? The squad wargames (e.g. Silent Storm) just love it. Was it that good in practice? Good enough that the Soviets designed the PPSh in response. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted April 14, 2004 Share Posted April 14, 2004 Here is a two-piece article about the Suomi-kp. http://guns.connect.fi/gow/suomi1.html The weapon was probably the best product of the quite small Finnish arms industry at the time. I personally don't know how it compares to PPSh-41, but the most important factor for its fame was that SMG's were just essential in Finnish conditions, especially when there was otherwise a lack of LMG's. In Winter War this was made very obvious, when Russian infantry had no SMG's. Overall, the Suomi SMG was a good product that was very well suited for Finnish nature and also had a suitable name (Suomi = Finland). Here it is a legend. But I'm sure we'd have done just as well with PPSh's if Stalin had supplied us with a good stack of those. We loved the Degtyarev's, anyway. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treeburst155 Posted April 14, 2004 Share Posted April 14, 2004 Are there any M3 "greaseguns" in CM? I haven't run into them. Maybe the caliber conversion kit is too difficult to model correctly. Treeburst155 out. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamingknives Posted April 14, 2004 Share Posted April 14, 2004 Late war CMAK has 'grease guns' but I don't think that it models different calibres 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Dorosh Posted April 14, 2004 Share Posted April 14, 2004 Originally posted by Treeburst155: Are there any M3 "greaseguns" in CM? I haven't run into them. Maybe the caliber conversion kit is too difficult to model correctly. Treeburst155 out. BFC stated they didn't know whether the conversion from .45 to 9mm should take place in 10 seconds or 8 seconds. There was also the problem that all the dead Germans aren't modelled, only the last man to die in a squad is located on the map, so scrounging 9mm ammo to use in the conversion kits was difficult to implement. I believe CMX2 will have stuff like the Pedersen device so that Springfield armed snipers can go full auto, sharpshooters can change their scopes on the fly (like Barry Pepper did in Saving Private Ryan), and barrel conversions will be done probably in 9 seconds unless there is too much whining about it. I do wonder what good a barrel change would be without having a chamber to accept the different round, but I suppose BFC has thought that out too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cessna Posted April 14, 2004 Share Posted April 14, 2004 I was able to fire the M-3 greasegun at Ft. Knox in 1987 when I went to Tank School. I was pretty impressed. Yeah, it was cheap and fairly shoddy, but it shot well. It had a nice controllable rate of fire that made it easy to walk rounds onto a target. It was easy to clean and maintain. I've never fired a PPSh or MP-40, but the M-3 was a nice little weapon. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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