para Posted June 22, 2006 Share Posted June 22, 2006 Hi Guys I really like cmbb and i'm mulling over whether or not to now get cmak. What's the general opinion of you guys of cmak over cmbb. cheers for any replies 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aragorn2002 Posted June 22, 2006 Share Posted June 22, 2006 More of the same. The best wargames available. And with the Normandy mods simply essential for every dedicated wargamer. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David I Posted June 22, 2006 Share Posted June 22, 2006 Don't wait one more moment - go get it! DavidI 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John D Salt Posted June 22, 2006 Share Posted June 22, 2006 Originally posted by para: I really like cmbb and i'm mulling over whether or not to now get cmak. Get it. I really can't think of much more to add. "Get it now", maybe. All the best, John. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Other Means Posted June 22, 2006 Share Posted June 22, 2006 The games play out very differently, not because of any engine differences but because of the unit types and tactics for their use. The German player can't rely on 80mm front StuG's to dominate the armour war or be able to dodge un-responsive arty, however the infantry can now beat Allied infantry in a close in assault. It's a better, more balanced game. But it does lack some of the epic sweep of the Eastern front. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoat Posted June 22, 2006 Share Posted June 22, 2006 Overall CMBB seems to have more "polish." CMAK has had a tendency to be a bit buggy. On the other hand, CMAK has better graphics. CMAK also has the benefit of having terrain from two different continents. The contrasts of fighting in thw wide open desert and the hilly wooded Italian terrain makes it seem like two games. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Summers Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 I played CMBB for a couple years before I picked up CMAK. I have really enjoyed learning the new primary Allied units (ie: American & British). After years of Soviet vs. German and their subsidiaries, it's great to see new stuff. I would not hesitate to recommend this game, particularly if you have enjoyed CMBB. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 para, Aside from the fact that there are all sorts of new "toys" and units to play with and new places to play, like vineyards on Crete, the addition of dust in CMAK radically changes things, adding greatly to the pucker factor and demanding more of the players as well. That dust cloud rolling up on your position, for example, might be lorried infantry, but what if it's armor? Dust blocks LOS and can make targeting of both DF and IDF weapons a real bear. In ROW, dust allowed an entire armored serial to drive right through my defenses, and I couldn't do anything about it until it was way too close to stop. The armor battles become, IMO, much more interesting, and otherwise marginal weapons become serious concerns. In ROW, for example, I had an M-11/39 which was partially F-killed (turret out), but carried on with the hull cannon, this despite some 40+ Boys rifle hits. I razzed my foe by thanking him for uparmoring my tank. Just as well I did, for I got my butt kicked! Even so, I was shot at for most of the game by multiple ATR teams and had only a rough idea where the fire was coming from. If you don't have a proper antitank weapon, even a Mark VI light tank can be a severe threat capable of shredding infantry it can run rings around. And did I mention you literally have to retrain your terrain reading eyes? The desert will fool you, and a misread of the ground can and will cost you dearly! OTOH, well sited defenses, even when hard pressed, can wreak havoc (not much cover), and I have seen individual attacks get down to opposing officers killing each other with pistols! Oases may seem cool and inviting--until 25 pdr. fire starts bursting in the palm tops! Sometimes, just moving a unit is an accomplishment. In ROW, I lost several ACs, some 251s and a bunch of trucks while crossing rocky ground, and that was before encountering the enemy. Something else CMAK has that CMBB doesn't is that it semimodels (can't designate separate targets, unfortunately) tanks with multiple cannon, such as the Grant/Lee, M-11/39 and others. Also, even though some vehicles aren't available in CMAK, such as the Jagdpanther, CMAK allows the play, using much better modeling of weapon performance and environmental effects than CMBO had, of Western Europe scenarios. Indeed, there is an active group called CMETO (CM, European Theater of Operations) hard at work on what practically amounts to a new game. Bottom line? Get CMAK! Regards, John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
para Posted June 23, 2006 Author Share Posted June 23, 2006 Right thats me sold! thanks for all the advice guys. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoat Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 Originally posted by John Kettler: Also, even though some vehicles aren't available in CMAK, such as the Jagdpanther, The Jagdpanther is available in CMAK. The King TIger, Jagdtiger, Cromwell, Pershing, and Jackson are not. But John is very right in that the available forces allow for scenarios based on the fighting in Germany, France, and the other countries in NW Europe as well as Italy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted June 24, 2006 Share Posted June 24, 2006 stoat, My mistake! Was unaware the Jagdpanther saw service in Italy. Was thinking that it's nearest equivalent was the much slower and better protected Elefant. No surprises, though, on the King Tiger, Jagdtiger or Allied armor introduced at Normandy or thereafter. para, You're welcome! Regards, John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xellos Posted June 24, 2006 Share Posted June 24, 2006 "Indeed, there is an active group called CMETO (CM, European Theater of Operations) hard at work on what practically amounts to a new game." --John Kettler You mean there will be a real Westfront Combat Mission which is based on CMAK,and with all missing tank units in CMBO? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoat Posted June 28, 2006 Share Posted June 28, 2006 Originally posted by xellos: "Indeed, there is an active group called CMETO (CM, European Theater of Operations) hard at work on what practically amounts to a new game." --John Kettler You mean there will be a real Westfront Combat Mission which is based on CMAK,and with all missing tank units in CMBO? No. It is a mod project which will make CMAK look entirely different. Same units and the like, but a new view of buildings and terrain. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uberpickle Posted June 28, 2006 Share Posted June 28, 2006 Get CMAK. Now. It's a great game, completely different from CMBB (I sometimes instinctively reach for the human wave button only to find it's not there). I believe the differences from CMBB are what makes it such a good game. If you have CMBB then you need CMAK and vice versa. You wouldn't even be playing the full game if you didn't (I have both). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Carr Posted June 30, 2006 Share Posted June 30, 2006 I think you should purchase CMAK. There are a few more visual bells and whistles that are nice. I wish CMBB had them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted June 30, 2006 Share Posted June 30, 2006 When this game first came out a fair number of people turned their noses up at CMBB (the fools) due to absence of little guys with American accents running around the map. CMAK has little guys with American accents running around the map. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanzfeld Posted June 30, 2006 Share Posted June 30, 2006 Americans don't have accents. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David I Posted June 30, 2006 Share Posted June 30, 2006 Xellos & para, CMETO is already out. Go to the CMAK forum, go to search and type "Announcing CMETO" this will bring up pictures, instructions for installation and alot of, mostly, favorable comments. Check it out. DavidI 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-E Posted July 1, 2006 Share Posted July 1, 2006 Originally posted by Lanzfeld: Americans don't have accents. Y'all come back now, heaya? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanzfeld Posted July 2, 2006 Share Posted July 2, 2006 Well I'm from the north and we do not have accents. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
para Posted July 3, 2006 Author Share Posted July 3, 2006 Originally posted by David I: Xellos & para, CMETO is already out. Go to the CMAK forum, go to search and type "Announcing CMETO" this will bring up pictures, instructions for installation and alot of, mostly, favorable comments. Check it out. DavidI Cheers DavidI 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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