Juju Posted July 16, 2003 Share Posted July 16, 2003 Good day, gents. Some of you have probable heard me state -repeatedly- I wouldn't do buildings anymore, on account of them being a such lot of work. Well, I lied. That is, thay are a lot of work, but I felt an itch that needed scratching. so I started on the tall heavy buildings. I told myself I wouldn't bother coming up with something really new, just do the originals over, only better. That worked well for the first building. After that things went rapidly downhill. That's when the real work started. 's funny, but more than half the time goes into design, not the actual modding. I heard people complain that battles taking place in Germany look kinda odd with all them ruskie buildings. and I -sucker that I am- went for it. So, a Berlin set. How's that sound? Cool? Well, this is how it looks. 3D anyone? A familiar 'face.' Cool points for the one who can guess on which 'famous' Nazi buiding this one was based. Park the car, honey. Window shopping in Berlin Where's the catch? Well, these are all still WIP's. I'm nearing the completion of the summer version. After that I'll take a break before I tackle the ever so boring 'beating-them-up-and-sprinkling-snow-on-them' part. So it will stillbe a couple of weeks before completion. Juju 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewTF Posted July 16, 2003 Share Posted July 16, 2003 What do you mean "take a break"? You can't stop now! These look great! Can't wait to see more. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tools4fools Posted July 16, 2003 Share Posted July 16, 2003 Juju, simply mind blowing! I will love to blow those up, even deep in Russia And take your time, winter is still far... All the best Marcus **** 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theike Posted July 16, 2003 Share Posted July 16, 2003 These really look like i know those ugly large buildings of the older larger city's in europe to be. (i dont like the pink-ish, but the grey one and the more classic yellow-ish one...yes i see myself just like u, in those streets for real !!) (if i say i dont like the pink-ish thats just because of the pink-ish colouring, the building itself is very o.k.) Looking forwart to this indeed ! CAHOOL [ July 15, 2003, 09:36 PM: Message edited by: theike ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juju Posted July 16, 2003 Author Share Posted July 16, 2003 Thanks guys. Theike, is it really that pink? Hmm. Ed, one of my playtesters, thought it was too pinkish as well. I thought I fixed it, but obviously not enough. I'll work on that, rest assured. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tooz Posted July 16, 2003 Share Posted July 16, 2003 A dumb question from a cyber-idiot: If we download these new building mods, will the computer know when to use the German buildings (for scenarios closer to Germany) and when to use Russian buildings (will that Kremlin scenario now look like Berlin)? How will this work? I mean, it looks FANTASTIC!!! But...but... I warned you that this was a stupid queston. Yep, when it comes to computers, I am as dumb as dirt. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
v42below Posted July 16, 2003 Share Posted July 16, 2003 No it won't. But if you're like me and can be botheres, you'll make separate folders so save the Russian buildings (original) and German buildings (mod). When playing in Germany you will install the mod. When playing in Russia you will reinstall the originals. v42below 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leakyD Posted July 16, 2003 Share Posted July 16, 2003 Good Lord, JuJu! Your attention to detail is amazing. Now please excuse me while I mop all this drool of the table. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeatEtr Posted July 16, 2003 Share Posted July 16, 2003 **I bow to the mighty JuJu!** 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
japinard Posted July 16, 2003 Share Posted July 16, 2003 Hehehehehehe giggles insanely. I don't care about default Russian buildings, I just want these! Ohhhn so nice! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joachim Posted July 16, 2003 Share Posted July 16, 2003 Originally posted by Juju: Thanks guys. Theike, is it really that pink? Hmm. Ed, one of my playtesters, thought it was too pinkish as well. I thought I fixed it, but obviously not enough. I'll work on that, rest assured. Well, apart from pink being not my favourite colour some kind of pink is common in Germany. Heck, it is one of those colours allowed in medieval towns protected by "Denkmalschutz" (law protecting historical site from changes). Schwetzingen palace is pink. But probably the pink colour depends on the kind of stone you find in the area. If the "Sandstein" used in the area is red, pink is more likely an option for 19c buildings as it fits the surrounding than when you use yellow stones in the vicinity - like in the Berlin Stadtschloß and probably most Berlin houses. But I would not bet the farm there were no pink buildings in Berlin. Gruß Joachim 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryInk Posted July 16, 2003 Share Posted July 16, 2003 Be-uuuuuu-tiful! Muther be-uuuuu-tiful. Juju, with the work you put in, I can understand swearing off 'em. But when you do something soooo well.... well, it's just hard to give it up. Ace. Now, a realy dumb mod question from a soon to be CMBB newbie. If I install beauties such as these for a 1945 game vs. Opponent #1, and have a 1941 game vs. Opp#2 and install pretty Russian buildings, does CM remember which mods go with which game? I doubt it's that complex yet, but I'll be happy if I'm surprised..... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Posted July 16, 2003 Share Posted July 16, 2003 These are brilliant. You can also give a nice ochre colour to one of them, and set off the decorative stonework in white. That is fairly common, I think. The pink is not an unusual colour. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mies Posted July 16, 2003 Share Posted July 16, 2003 Oh my God!! These buildings are excellent. Can't wait to start using them!! Mies 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theike Posted July 16, 2003 Share Posted July 16, 2003 Its true about the pink not being uncomon. But im kinda viewing the citys in a whole here, in flight, and since there are only these few option buildings, that pink will be pretty much all over the place. (and then everything gets a slight pinkish admosfere about it, if u know what i mean) I think its best to go with the greys more, and the light ore dark more 'uncoloured' like colours, in more of a black to white tone. In general city's have a pretty grey/brown/white feel to it, in oversight, with just few coloured buildings. Well old city centers have grey to white buildings sometimes, and some regions go with white, but believe me in general its all set to a grey tone. And as i said, there are only these few bmp's to go on. Thats why i was so very happy with this grey building. That one will make it all so much better. Man im so glad. JUJU is my man of the month...) I dont know if i have seen this in the pic's already or not, but two slight different rooftops might do alot also..... (Yes i think i see it now...) [ July 16, 2003, 07:21 AM: Message edited by: theike ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jurpo Posted July 16, 2003 Share Posted July 16, 2003 Absolutely excellent! One tiny question... how are battle damaged buildings done in cmbb? Are they separate bmp files or are the clean ones splashed with programmatically generated gunk on the fly? Bullet marks and shrapnel gashes on the stone walls would be very cool! Maybe as a mod option if not possible otherwise? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nidan1 Posted July 16, 2003 Share Posted July 16, 2003 These are beautiful!!!! JuJu, you should come out of retirement at least once a week!!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanks a Lot Posted July 16, 2003 Share Posted July 16, 2003 These are true works of art from the master. Just happy to be one of his playtesters. Got to go change my drool bucket again. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joachim Posted July 16, 2003 Share Posted July 16, 2003 Originally posted by theike: Its true about the pink not being uncomon. But im kinda viewing the citys in a whole here, in flight, and since there are only these few option buildings, that pink will be pretty much all over the place. (and then everything gets a slight pinkish admosfere about it, if u know what i mean) I think its best to go with the greys more, and the light ore dark more 'uncoloured' like colours, in more of a black to white tone. In general city's have a pretty grey/brown/white feel to it, in oversight, with just few coloured buildings. Well old city centers have grey to white buildings sometimes, and some regions go with white, but believe me in general its all set to a grey tone. And as i said, there are only these few bmp's to go on. Thats why i was so very happy with this grey building. That one will make it all so much better. Man im so glad. JUJU is my man of the month...) I dont know if i have seen this in the pic's already or not, but two slight different rooftops might do alot also..... (Yes i think i see it now...) Remembering the quarter of Jena where I lived a few years ago, there were many coloured buildings: yellow, green and pink. Freshly renovated "Gründerzeit" (ca. 1900) buildings just like in Berlin. Looking at Weimar - same thing Heidelberg, Speyer, Düsseldorf - colours Grey only as a result of air pollution (cars, industrial areas, fire...) and an overdue renovation. More likely in working class neighborhoods, in the industrial regions and in seasoned combat areas. I opt for colours! Even if it is just to tell my troops "Storm that green building while the sIG flattens the pink one!" Gruß Joachim 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Posted July 16, 2003 Share Posted July 16, 2003 I fully agree with Joachim. The buildings are grey in our mind because we know them from B/W pictures - or you know them from not being renovated for a long time. A nice dose of colour would do a lot to spice citymaps up. Here are some examples from Berlin - these are all newly renovated, but the colours are quite realistic I would say. Especially since for renovations there are very tight regulations about colours in Germany. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juju Posted July 16, 2003 Author Share Posted July 16, 2003 Thanks all, For those who have never been to Germany, or Austria, for that matter, you wouldn't believe what Germans can do to a building, colourwise. compared to what I've seen, my pink building is already grey. But Theike is right; there's only three buildings, and the pinkish one could 'crowd' the view. As for the game remembering what mods to use; it doesn't. You'd need to switch yourself. Plenty of ways to do that. Jurpo, battle damage is 'applied' by the game. when a building has suffered a given amount of damaged the game will switch it for another file. This is essentially a copy of the original, with damage applied, by me, the modder. In short, each three texture building (front, side and back) has to be made in four versions totalling twelve BMP's per building, as such: summer summer damaged winter winter damaged All these go into the game and the engine will simply display the appropriate one. Andreas, thanks for the pics you posted. I always found it typical that many windows in Germany feature the same cross piece in their windowframes, like in all your photos. But in my mod there are fewer than I thought. I may change that. Still no takers for the contest from picture three? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theike Posted July 16, 2003 Share Posted July 16, 2003 Well actualy, those pictures, are all zoomed in and centered to one building. And i did say those where around i did. But look at the buildings laying besides the ones u focus on?... I dont think whole city centers where in new renovated bright colours anyway. But the pics u uploaded are very nicely (un renovated as would probably be the case in the '40's)represented by JUJU's white classic building. i think. but anyway. Im possitive JUJU comes up with just the right thing; I will silently now start my waiting days. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeatEtr Posted July 16, 2003 Share Posted July 16, 2003 Originally posted by Juju: In short, each three texture building (front, side and back) has to be made in four versions totalling twelve BMP's per building, as such: summer summer damaged winter winter damagedTranslation: alot of fu**ing work. Which im sure is the reason he stopped making building mods awhile back. But is back for now. Impatiently looking forward to these. Thank you very much for your hard work JuJu. Its greatly appreciated. Looks like im gonna have a bit of a reunion with the SturmTiger to blow these big beautiful buildings sky high. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SgtMuhammed Posted July 16, 2003 Share Posted July 16, 2003 They look like the Berlin I know. Considering that about one of the only ways to set individual "wohnblocke" apart was with color it isn't that unusual to see multicolored streets. Some styles have changed in Berlin but basic things remain pretty constant. Now once you get into individual houses it is a different story. I remember road marching through neighborhoods and not seeing a single house that looked like its neighbors. Well done. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScouseJedi Posted July 17, 2003 Share Posted July 17, 2003 Surely everything was a dirty industrial black in the big cities. Certainly Liverpool's fine archetecture was a uniform black until the 1980's when centuries of coal fires and industrial pollution were sandblasted from the walls revealing the stone beneath. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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