Scipio Posted February 13, 2001 Share Posted February 13, 2001 On Feb 13, 1945, a fearless fleed of 772 British and 311 American bombers managed to flatten the worthless city of Dresden/Germany. Approximately 70000 enemy civilians and fugitives was terminated during this war decisive operation. Hail to the Commander of the Bomberfleet, Air Marshal Sir Arthur Harris. Let's remember the crew of the five Aircrafts that was shot down by Nazi AA during the attack. ------------------ Keine Gefangenen! Visit my Combat Mission Sound Mods site! Scipiobase Join the Blitzkrieg Wargaming Club [This message has been edited by Scipio (edited 02-13-2001).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Dorosh Posted February 13, 2001 Share Posted February 13, 2001 Please confine ignorant posts like this to the General Forum. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Heidman Posted February 13, 2001 Share Posted February 13, 2001 What's a Bomberfleed? Jeff Heidman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedbump Posted February 13, 2001 Share Posted February 13, 2001 What I want to know Jeff, is why is the military city of Dresden worthless? Speedbump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanir Posted February 13, 2001 Share Posted February 13, 2001 I see a lock comin'... Really, this stuff has no place here. If you have an axe to grind, Scipio, grind it somewhere else. ------------------ You've never heard music until you've heard the bleating of a gut-shot cesspooler. -Mark IV [This message has been edited by Vanir (edited 02-13-2001).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mannheim Tanker Posted February 13, 2001 Share Posted February 13, 2001 LOL Speedbump, I was thinking the same thing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Heidman Posted February 13, 2001 Share Posted February 13, 2001 Originally posted by Speedbump: What I want to know Jeff, is why is the military city of Dresden worthless? Speedbump Yeah, I think that was a bit rude, to just go around saying an entire city is worthless, even if it is a military city. Jeff Heidman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Heidman Posted February 13, 2001 Share Posted February 13, 2001 Originally posted by Vanir: I see a lock comin'... Gee, ya think? Jeff Heidman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedbump Posted February 13, 2001 Share Posted February 13, 2001 As far as Military cities go, was Coventry worthless? Speedbump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Havermeyer- Posted February 13, 2001 Share Posted February 13, 2001 I just finished "On Time, On Target: the World War II memoir of a paratrooper in the 82nd Airborne." The book was decent (the author was a FO), but the most interesting part was the post-VE commentary. The trooper spent the immediate days following the ceasefire in a German backwater. The Mayor of the town killed his wife and daughter and then himself the evening the town was captured. The troopers soon found out why. Wirbelin was the town's political "camp". It didn't have the engines of death and genocide of more famous camps. The camp commander did find time to hang the intestines of attempted escapees from the barbed wire, though. Of the 4,000 inmates, following liberation, 1,000 died from malnutrition despite the best medical care the US Doctors on the scene could provide (including providing the food and water they had been without). General Gavin forced the townspeople to dig the graves and attend the funeral services of the camp's dead (few of the inmates were Jewish, most were political). Over 50 of the townsfolk committed suicide in the following days. This was a small town and a small camp infested with the cancer of Hitler's National Socialism-- but to me its existence was more poignant and repugnant than the larger camps of death. Each society has committed barbarous acts in and out of war time. The bombing of Dresden was horrific and pointless. But so was invading Poland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Heidman Posted February 13, 2001 Share Posted February 13, 2001 Originally posted by Speedbump: As far as Military cities go, was Coventry worthless? Speedbump No, but it was inexpensive. Jeff Heidman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedbump Posted February 13, 2001 Share Posted February 13, 2001 So Jeff, let me get this straight, because the military city of Coventry had some residual value, it was okay to flatten it, but since Dresden was worthless, it was a waste of ammo?? Speedbump 30? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoopenfaust2 Posted February 13, 2001 Share Posted February 13, 2001 Isn't war fun? I thought it was thats why I play CM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingfish Posted February 13, 2001 Share Posted February 13, 2001 London, Berlin, Rotterdam, Tokyo, Warsaw, Dresden, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Coventry, Hamburg... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueFalcon Posted February 13, 2001 Share Posted February 13, 2001 Should we post the "heroric" attrocities of the Germans as well Scipio? I believe the end justified the means or am I wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Clark Posted February 13, 2001 Share Posted February 13, 2001 Gosh! It really sucks when bad things happen during a war... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Heidman Posted February 13, 2001 Share Posted February 13, 2001 This thread was a lot more fun when everyone refused to take the original post seriously... Jeff Heidman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M. Bates Posted February 13, 2001 Share Posted February 13, 2001 Originally posted by Scipio: On Feb 13, 1945, a fearless fleed of 772 British and 311 American bombers managed to flatten the military worthless city of Dresden/Germany. Approximately 70000 enemy civilians and fugitives was terminated during this war decisive operation. Hail to the Commander of the Bomberfleed, Air Marshal Sir Arthur Harris. The Allied commanders and politicians often reveal in their correspondence the heavy hearts they had when they ordered the bombing of civilian targets. But sometimes these deeds are necessary. Let's remember the crew of the five Aircrafts that was shot down by the extremly strong Nazi AA during the attack. Let's remember the countless civilians and Allied POWs who were EXTERMINATED by the Nazis, a wicked regime if ever there was one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illo Posted February 13, 2001 Share Posted February 13, 2001 People dont start another war please . Good post scipio i've thought that one myself too. It was mindless slaughter of civilians and refugees. War was practically over. Only good explanation i can think is Western allies wanted to show Soviets their power..well i guess you know why. I consider it as startingpoint of cold war. When i was little i read a book where was picture of tens of dead children lying in schoolyard somewhere in Dresden all choked to dead(fires consumed all oxygen)..that was really shocking...war is horrible Most nations participating WW2 did horrible things. War is good vs. bad only in hollywood movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Dorosh Posted February 13, 2001 Share Posted February 13, 2001 Can we PLEASE move this to the General Forum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt Fred Posted February 13, 2001 Share Posted February 13, 2001 Dresden is an example of the unforeseen consequences suffered by those countries that choose to start world wars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illo Posted February 13, 2001 Share Posted February 13, 2001 Should we post the "heroric" attrocities of the Germans as well Scipio? I believe the end justified the means or am I wrong? yes i think you are. I can't find killing justified by any means. You think you can make justice happen by killing more people? ...naive. Then youre just like ones you fight against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illo Posted February 13, 2001 Share Posted February 13, 2001 Dresden is an example of the unforeseen consequences suffered by those countries that choose to start world wars. German people didnt choose to start world war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CavScout Posted February 13, 2001 Share Posted February 13, 2001 Originally posted by Scipio: On Feb 13, 1945, a fearless fleed of 772 British and 311 American bombers managed to flatten the military worthless city of Dresden/Germany. Approximately 70000 enemy civilians and fugitives was terminated during this war decisive operation. 70,000 less to support the German war effort. Sounds legit to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armornut Posted February 13, 2001 Share Posted February 13, 2001 This post makes me feel icky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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