Cold War Holiday Tournament!!!

[BFCElvis]

4 hours ago, cargol said:

I checked the rankings and I saw that my opponent in 2nd battle got some 9000 points for the battle in which we did not play. I posted about it earlier on. I think that this tourney thingie is more like a farce. Such a shame.

The scoring system for Cold War is borked (technical term). It has been drastically changed in the latest CMSF2 and Black Sea patches. When they are released on Steam and Matrix we're going to hold a public beta tournament to test out the revised scoring system. 

 

The Round 2 scenario particularity shows in what way it is borked. The example that you saw highlights it.

 

EDIT: I just went and looked at your Round 2 scores. DALBY is the player that received a game turn from someone else's battle and wasn't able to advance that one. That oddity is being check out by Slitherine. No one has been able to tell me yet how that happened. No one else had that happen, did they?

[MeatEtr]

10 hours ago, jackal263 said:

Hi ! I'm here as Jackal263 (was my nickname on the FGM... we also played a battle there, long time ago, Overlord Campaign ). Have a good fight ! We can exchange message here, in case of any need.

Ahh ok there ya are! Wow the overlord cam is from like a decade ago. I remember that one, good times. Good luck! 

[ALBY]

6 hours ago, cargol said:

I checked the rankings and I saw that my opponent in 2nd battle got some 9000 points for the battle in which we did not play. I posted about it earlier on. I think that this tourney thingie is more like a farce. Such a shame.

I hope you are equally upset about the 14005 points you received in the same game ?!

in the game we could play, I believe we finished on turn 49 and your pace slowed to one turn every two days as my score went up.  So, thanks for that. 

[cargol]

17 hours ago, ALBY said:

I hope you are equally upset about the 14005 points you received in the same game ?!

in the game we could play, I believe we finished on turn 49 and your pace slowed to one turn every two days as my score went up.  So, thanks for that. 

If you check the scorings you will see that I received 1705 points for round two while you 9611 for a game that not only you did not play but according to your words you contributed to spoiling it. 

So basically, I was punished because you and I quote from your private message that you ve sent me :

''I sent an email to slitherine Uk support.

I was in a hotel this week that had a wifi connection that was always booting me off and requiring me to log in again via web browser. I attempted multiple times to open this turn and multiple downloads is considered ‘cheating’.   I see some posts on the slithering forum about this.

So, I do believe that side of the mirror has been closed for ‘cheating’ and you will be awarded all my points.  

I was not cheating and I just wanted to play some combat mission. I could care less about the score or trying to win this tournament.  ''

Off course, that happened only in your game as the Americans as we progressed normally to the other.

@BFCElvis Might this is the reason for the odd things occurring? 

Edited February 27, 2023 by cargol

[ALBY]

I just want to play combat mission!

[ALBY]

I don’t think you cheated either. But you had a helper program and that will end up being the issue. 

[cargol]

15 minutes ago, ALBY said:

I don’t think you cheated either. But you had a helper program and that will end up being the issue. 

HAHA, you are such a character. God bless you.

[Probus]

32 minutes ago, cargol said:

If you check the scorings you will see that I received 1705 points for round two while you 9611 for a game that not only you did not play but according to your words you contributed to spoiling it. 

So basically, I was punished because you and I quote from your private message that you ve sent me :

''I sent an email to slitherine Uk support.

I was in a hotel this week that had a wifi connection that was always booting me off and requiring me to log in again via web browser. I attempted multiple times to open this turn and multiple downloads is considered ‘cheating’.   I see some posts on the slithering forum about this.

So, I do believe that side of the mirror has been closed for ‘cheating’ and you will be awarded all my points.  

I was not cheating and I just wanted to play some combat mission. I could care less about the score or trying to win this tournament.  ''

Off course, that happened only in your game as the Americans as we progressed normally to the other.

@BFCElvis Might this is the reason for the odd things occurring? 

Ah! That sucks for both of you, but especially you, @cargol. I'm sorry. Hopefully they can track it down and fix it. 

[Lethaface]

@BFCElvis Somehow I still have one of the files from round 2 when I log in. Not sure if that's a problem, I did also get a round 3 file (RED).

@Kees (not sure if he is on here?) I've send the first file, GL & HF!

[BFCElvis]

1 hour ago, cargol said:

If you check the scorings you will see that I received 1705 points for round two while you 9611 for a game that not only you did not play but according to your words you contributed to spoiling it. 

So basically, I was punished because you and I quote from your private message that you ve sent me :

''I sent an email to slitherine Uk support.

I was in a hotel this week that had a wifi connection that was always booting me off and requiring me to log in again via web browser. I attempted multiple times to open this turn and multiple downloads is considered ‘cheating’.   I see some posts on the slithering forum about this.

So, I do believe that side of the mirror has been closed for ‘cheating’ and you will be awarded all my points.  

I was not cheating and I just wanted to play some combat mission. I could care less about the score or trying to win this tournament.  ''

Off course, that happened only in your game as the Americans as we progressed normally to the other.

@BFCElvis Might this is the reason for the odd things occurring? 

I'm not sure what the message is saying. Who "closed" a battle for cheating? Slitherine? I am aware of his ticket to Slitherine support because they also contacted me to see if I had any idea how he would have gotten a wrong game file. You shouldn't be able to open turns multiple times. Once you've played your turn it should disappear from the list.

[BFCElvis]

  

10 minutes ago, Lethaface said:

@BFCElvis Somehow I still have one of the files from round 2 when I log in. Not sure if that's a problem, I did also get a round 3 file (RED).

@Kees (not sure if he is on here?) I've send the first file, GL & HF!

Yeah. Like finished PBEM++ it will remain on the In Progress list for 30 days. 

[cargol]

8 minutes ago, BFCElvis said:

I'm not sure what the message is saying. Who "closed" a battle for cheating? Slitherine? I am aware of his ticket to Slitherine support because they also contacted me to see if I had any idea how he would have gotten a wrong game file. You shouldn't be able to open turns multiple times. Once you've played your turn it should disappear from the list.

If I understand well, he opened the file multiple times without playing it but he quit every time because of ''unstable'' internet. Indeed (I just checked) , in Siltherine forums it is stated that this is monitored by Siltherine and it is considered as a type of cheating. Moreover, a warning is sent by Siltherine when this behavior is observed. 

Check the link : PBEM++Server Warning - Slitherine

 

[BFCElvis]

3 minutes ago, cargol said:

If I understand well, he opened the file multiple times without playing it but he quit every time because of ''unstable'' internet. Indeed (I just checked) , in Siltherine forums it is stated that this is monitored by Siltherine and it is considered as a type of cheating. Moreover, a warning is sent by Siltherine when this behavior is observed. 

Check the link : PBEM++Server Warning - Slitherine

 

Weird. You shouldn't be able to do that, Unless the internet connection is so wonky that the turn never processes. I can't tell what the original poster is playing either. 

[cargol]

2 minutes ago, BFCElvis said:

Weird. You shouldn't be able to do that, Unless the internet connection is so wonky that the turn never processes. I can't tell what the original poster is playing either. 

Exactly, this is why this ''unstable'' internet excuse is somehow strange.

Also is strange why ALBY in his ticket did not mention anything about multiple loading attempts. 

The fact is that he received a warning of some sort and most probably kept doing the same until the game was blocked somehow. 

Siltherine might shed some light as definitely if a warning was sent they have it in their logs and they also know if this might interfere with the continuation of the game.

Anyway, thanks for your time and I appreciate the acknowledgment of the ''borked'' Siltherine's tourney scoring. 

[ALBY]

I never got a warning!  I never successfully opened turn 4 be a cause you sent me a file named player b vs Cargol 053’.

So inspector cargol, please explain how I could have transmitted your PBEM file to slitherine ?

[ALBY]

Please answer the question regarding whether or not you use a helper ?

the problem is almost certainly the result of your helper program interfering with slitherine as your file was uploaded from your hard drive to slitherine and then offered to me as my turn.  

Edited February 27, 2023 by ALBY

[ALBY]

51 minutes ago, cargol said:

If I understand well, he opened the file multiple times

 

You don’t understand well. I never successfully opened or saw this turn as it was passworded with your PBEM opponents password. 

[ALBY]

I did have to re-do US turn 4 multiple times to actually get it to upload.  You said something about getting one of my PBEM turns. But this was the side of the mirror that worked and that we could have actually played. We played this game to turn 49.

Edited February 27, 2023 by ALBY

[cargol]

2 minutes ago, ALBY said:

You don’t understand well. I never successfully opened or saw this turn as it was passworded with your PBEM opponents password. 

Dude, take it easy or you would hurt yourself. I am merely quoting what you ve already told me in a private message.

Now, regarding the Helper software, even if I wanted it, I could not use it as you are ''assigning'' an existing game to the helper by linking to the dropbox file. In the PBEM++ there is no dropbox folder to assign a game to the helper software. If Helper software is interfering with the PBEM++ by just being ''active'' , I do not know. 

 

[BFCElvis]

15 minutes ago, cargol said:

Anyway, thanks for your time and I appreciate the acknowledgment of the ''borked'' Siltherine's tourney scoring. 

That isn't their fault. That is ours.

During testing we tested very tiny battles to get through them in a reasonable amount of time. The current tournament that we're playing will run for over 3 months by the time it's finished. That's a very long time to test, especially if there is an issue that gets fixed and the testing has to start again.

The running score that we see for each Round has never been based on the final in game CM score. It was only intended to give player a feel for who was doing better. Then, at the end of the battle, the final in game Combat Mission score replaces the running score. It became apparent early in the first Round of this tournament that the running score was going to be MUCH higher than the end game Combat Mission score. That would take away the incentive for the player to finish. If the running score shows you with 13,000 points but after you complete the battle that is replaced by an in game score of 550 (for example), you would have a higher tournament score by simply not completing the battle. Which is why, for this tournament we are asking people to not complete their battles. 

Combat Mission was never designed to track in game scoring. No score can be tabulated until a battle is complete. The amount of coding to do that would be astronomical. So, we needed a workaround for the problem. Here's what we've done. Each turn of a tournament battle will push out 3 points for the player that causes the highest casualties and 1 point for the other player (0 points if no casualties are caused by either player). When a battle is completed the final score will be the in game Combat Mission score. We need to make sure the running number is low enough so that there is no way the in game score will be lower than the running score, once the battle is finished. That can be done by the scenario designer. This will give the players the incentive to complete the battles and get their higher scores.

This scoring change has been done for a while and is in the most recent patches for Black Sea and Shock Force 2 (it's actually in Battle for Normandy already too). It will be added to Cold War once the current tournament is finished.

Make sense?

[jheinrichk]

I regularly get notifications saying I downloaded the same turn multiple times.  Doesn't seem to impact the pbem++ or any of my turns or opponent's turns....that I'm aware of.  I do play on different PC's depending where I'm at.

[ALBY]

3 minutes ago, cargol said:In the PBEM++ there is no dropbox folder to assign a game to the helper software. If Helper software is interfering with the PBEM++ by just being ''active'' , I do not know. 

 

I think we know the answer now as I got one of your PBEM files. 
 

again, I don’t believe you did this on purpose or cheated. I’m not accusing you of anything unethical. 
 

OTOH, you have shaded me here and I don’t appreciate it. 

[cargol]

3 minutes ago, ALBY said:

I think we know the answer now as I got one of your PBEM files. 
 

again, I don’t believe you did this on purpose or cheated. I’m not accusing you of anything unethical. 
 

OTOH, you have shaded me here and I don’t appreciate it. 

Dude, how could I have cheated when you were awarded 9000 points for a battle that you did not play while I was awarded 1700 for both of the battles? 

Are you out of your mind? 

For the last time, I am quoting your private message in which you claimed that you were disqualified by Slitherine.

Now, how you reached this conclusion you know better:

You said

''I sent an email to slitherine Uk support.I was in a hotel this week that had a wifi connection that was always booting me off and requiring me to log in again via web browser. I attempted multiple times to open this turn and multiple downloads is considered ‘cheating’.   I see some posts on the slithering forum about this.

So, I do believe that side of the mirror has been closed for ‘cheating’ and you will be awarded all my points.  

I was not cheating and I just wanted to play some combat mission. I could care less about the score or trying to win this tournament.  ''

[ALBY]

I was mistaken when I sent that message.  
 

I am starting to think you are just a troll. 

you use a helper program and it interfered with the files.  It took a while to figure out. Hence my misunderstanding.

rather than accepting the obvious answer, you’ve chosen to sh*t talk me.

 

and you are a coward on the battlefield.  So there is that as well. 
 

Have a nice day. 

[cargol]

17 minutes ago, BFCElvis said:

That isn't their fault. That is ours.

During testing we tested very tiny battles to get through them in a reasonable amount of time. The current tournament that we're playing will run for over 3 months by the time it's finished. That's a very long time to test, especially if there is an issue that gets fixed and the testing has to start again.

The running score that we see for each Round has never been based on the final in game CM score. It was only intended to give player a feel for who was doing better. Then, at the end of the battle, the final in game Combat Mission score replaces the running score. It became apparent early in the first Round of this tournament that the running score was going to be MUCH higher than the end game Combat Mission score. That would take away the incentive for the player to finish. If the running score shows you with 13,000 points but after you complete the battle that is replaced by an in game score of 550 (for example), you would have a higher tournament score by simply not completing the battle. Which is why, for this tournament we are asking people to not complete their battles. 

Combat Mission was never designed to track in game scoring. No score can be tabulated until a battle is complete. The amount of coding to do that would be astronomical. So, we needed a workaround for the problem. Here's what we've done. Each turn of a tournament battle will push out 3 points for the player that causes the highest casualties and 1 point for the other player (0 points if no casualties are caused by either player). When a battle is completed the final score will be the in game Combat Mission score. We need to make sure the running number is low enough so that there is no way the in game score will be lower than the running score, once the battle is finished. That can be done by the scenario designer. This will give the players the incentive to complete the battles and get their higher scores.

This scoring change has been done for a while and is in the most recent patches for Black Sea and Shock Force 2 (it's actually in Battle for Normandy already too). It will be added to Cold War once the current tournament is finished.

Make sense?

Yes, it does.