Master TOE (1944)- 5th Panzer Division, 5th Guards Tank Corps

[Artkin]

Hello

In anticipation of the upcoming module I have given more luv to CMRT lately. 

I have created what the 5th Panzer Division should have looked like in September of 1944. It isn't perfect but it should be close with an exception to armored cars. Not counting those. 

The formation - Commanded by General of the Panzer Troops Karl Decker - has around 6,000 front-line personnel, over 210 tanks before the compliment of 40+ King Tigers attached from the 103rd SS Panzer Bn. Hundreds of apcs and trucks. Commanders are named for the most part. One of my sources had names and dates for higher formation commanders. Everything was pretty much drop into place, BF's TOE work is impeccable.

 

A couple notes: 1/116 Artillery 3 Battery should be hummels, and 103rd SS Panzer should be SS. Both of which will be corrected with F&R. I wasn't 100% sure on the flak batteries. I tried my best ppl!

Sources:

1. http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gliederungen/Panzerdivisionen/5PD.htm

2. http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gliederungen/Panzerdivisionen/Staerkenachweise/5PD19449.htm

3. https://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/Germany/HB/HB-2.html

4. http://users.skynet.be/niemacks_place/OOB/Heer/Panzer Formations/Panzer Divisions/5 Panzer OOB-5.htm

Source 1-2 need to be translated through google translate but are essentially gold mines for TOE information. They contain commander names, reports on manpower, hardware etc. Source 2 is specifically September of 1944.

Source 3 refer to section [II-47] and Figure. 62.

Source 4 is excellent for CM terms.

 

 

 

In addition, I have also modeled parts of the 5th Guards Tank Army. Specifically the 3rd Guards Tank Corps commanded by Major-General Ivan Vovchenko and the 5th Guards Tank Army Troops.

I have not measured the size of this formation but I imagine it is even larger. Actually it was so large I opted to only design half of the corps: One motorized infantry brigade and one tank brigade out of four total (Three armored brigades, one motorized) are included. Also included are the full corps assets. Finding TOE information for guards units seemed kind of difficult. I also designed this a little earlier so I will have to dig up my sources.

Sources:

1. https://www.flamesofwar.com/Default.aspx?tabid=102&art_id=1076

2.http://web.archive.org/web/20070516205854/www.redarmystudies.net/0411030.htm

... yeah as I remember more I will post them. Theyre hard to come by and hard to dig through my history to find.

The TOE's are in a master file, similar to a master unit file for a campaign. Enjoy!

File is here: https://gofile.io/d/yOp7Mp

 

Edited March 20, 2021 by Artkin

[Aragorn2002]

Nice job, Artkin!

[Artkin]

Thanks! I just realized there's a soviet army formation in there! Damnit! It's soooo far down there too.

And forgot Guards for the SU regiments. Oh well.

Edited March 20, 2021 by Artkin

[Artkin]

Troopcounts are:

5th Panz: 5,845 combat personnel, 280 tanks (45 king tiger), 259 apc, and 313 trucks+other vehicles

3rd Guards: 4,640 combat personnel, 86 tanks (107 with heavy SU[Pushing the limits of the TOE]), 52 apc, and 302 trucks+other vehicles.

For the HQ's I would probably toss in a couple security teams or FO's, but that's negligible.

Of course I didn't do the counting, my nebelwerfers did it all for me

Edited March 20, 2021 by Artkin

[MOS:96B2P]

6 hours ago, Artkin said:

I have created what the 5th Panzer Division should have looked like in September of 1944. It isn't perfect but it should be close with an exception to armored cars. Not counting those. 

The formation - Commanded by General of the Panzer Troops Karl Decker - has around 6,000 front-line personnel, over 210 tanks before the compliment of 40+ King Tigers attached from the 103rd SS Panzer Bn. Hundreds of apcs and trucks. Commanders are named for the most part. One of my sources had names and dates for higher formation commanders. Everything was pretty much drop into place, BF's TOE work is impeccable.

In addition, I have also modeled parts of the 5th Guards Tank Army. Specifically the 3rd Guards Tank Corps commanded by Major-General Ivan Vovchenko and the 5th Guards Tank Army Troops.  

+1.  Very cool.  It sounds like a campaign or scenario may be in the works? 

[Artkin]

1 minute ago, MOS:96B2P said:

+1.  Very cool.  It sounds like a campaign or scenario may be in the works? 

Thanks!! Actually a team game on Radzymin (broken up) coming soon using these. But looking at the Orsha maps right now too..

Once we get M10's, su-100s etc more formations could be fleshed out. I kind of just do this for fun.

What about a Berlin team game?

[Vergeltungswaffe]

You've been busy.

Had just d/led the CMBS divisions and now I see these too.

Awesome job.

[nathangun]

Impressive @Artkin

[Artkin]

Thank you!

[akd]

@Artkin, Schwere SS-Panzer-Abteilung 103 was not with the 5th Panzer Division in September 1944 (or ever).  Possibly this is some confusion with the Heer Panzer Brigade 103, the personnel from the Stabs company, Panzergrenadier battalion and Panzer Pionier company of which were incorporated into the Division later on 9 November 1944.  A great deal more detail can be derived from the Division's Sept. 1, 1944 Kriegsgliederung:

Note that Panzer-Aufklärungs-Abteilung 5 was not with the division at this time.  By Oct 1, Pz.A.A.5 had returned to the division, so you can get more detail on its holdings from that Kriegsgliederung:

Edited November 5, 2021 by akd

[Artkin]

1 hour ago, akd said:

@Artkin, Schwere SS-Panzer-Abteilung 103 was not with the 5th Panzer Division in September 1944 (or ever).  Possibly this is some confusion with the Heer Panzer Brigade 103, the personnel from the Stabs company, Panzergrenadier battalion and Panzer Pionier company of which were incorporated into the Division later on 9 November 1944.  A great deal more detail can be derived from the Division's Sept. 1, 1944 Kriegsgliederung:

Thanks AKD, where do you find these "Kriegsgliederung" ? I don't remember where I saw the 103 SS Schwere.

[akd]

8 minutes ago, Artkin said:

Thanks AKD, where do you find these "Kriegsgliederung" ? I don't remember where I saw the 103 SS Schwere.

These two are from the Bundesarchiv, RH 10/144.

Edited November 5, 2021 by akd

[Sgt.Squarehead]

I suspect we owe you thanks for poring over those (& countless others) prior to certain recent releases.