Erwin Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 https://warthunder.com/en/media/tutorials/page/2/#_tutorials_54 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aragorn2002 Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 Hmmm, looks more like a toy shop than a wargame to me, Erwin. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erwin Posted November 18, 2016 Author Share Posted November 18, 2016 The game is like World of Tanks first person action. But, I was referring to the amazing graphics and the look of the maps. That's where I hope CM3 will get to. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sburke Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 I think Aragorn2002's point is more what you see is what you might not get . For example yes the buildings "look" great, but that is partly becasuse you can't enter them. Any considerations that CM has to address are not there. Essentially those "building ruins" are just pretty walls with no substance. Be careful what you wish for. I agree it it would be nice if CM had the look and playability options. Just important though to keep one's expectations grounded. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erwin Posted November 18, 2016 Author Share Posted November 18, 2016 Ok, ok... calm down everybody... it was a post more in the vein of wishful thinking then a hard and fast "expectation". Aim for the stars and you may at least hit the moon sort of thing... Maybe I have Asberger's and take things too literally, but I didn't realize everyone else here suffered from that as well. Can we form a club maybe? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borg Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 Was it Assburger ? Or u meant asperger ? I think I knkw what you meant about graphics and more... I do agree , hell we should all agree, that an improvement of graphics on top of what is already great, will be welcomed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aragorn2002 Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 7 hours ago, Erwin said: Ok, ok... calm down everybody... it was a post more in the vein of wishful thinking then a hard and fast "expectation". Aim for the stars and you may at least hit the moon sort of thing... Maybe I have Asberger's and take things too literally, but I didn't realize everyone else here suffered from that as well. Can we form a club maybe? I think we already have. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erwin Posted November 19, 2016 Author Share Posted November 19, 2016 Ok, so I am dyslexik as well. Maybe we can start discussing and comparing our symptoms and personal horror stories - good therapy. And there isn't much other discussion on these forums at the moment... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 ...Then we can start a thread where we discuss personal hygiene—or lack of it. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sburke Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 25 minutes ago, Michael Emrys said: ...Then we can start a thread where we discuss personal hygiene—or lack of it. Michael You mean still another MBT? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aragorn2002 Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 4 hours ago, Erwin said: Ok, so I am dyslexik as well. Maybe we can start discussing and comparing our symptoms and personal horror stories - good therapy. And there isn't much other discussion on these forums at the moment... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redmarkus Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 Question: How do you spell 'dyslexic'? Answer: dis-lex-ik? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StieliAlpha Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 On 19.11.2016 at 4:33 PM, Erwin said: Ok, so I am dyslexik as well. Maybe we can start discussing and comparing our symptoms and personal horror stories - good therapy. And there isn't much other discussion on these forums at the moment... To give some food for your discussion and to bring it back to the OP: Of course, better graphics would be nice. If they come without cost, may it be in coin or computer power. Otherwise, I am of the old board game faction (well, I still play them) and would say: Rather a good game play, than nice looks. I still remember our first try to play "Age of Napoleon". Looked like a "beer and bretzel" game with perfect components. After three hours of rules discussion, we concluded: Unplayable. The funny side: I contacted the game designer and he answered "I know, I know. But that is how the publishers wanted it. You can download the proper rules here...." 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 I stand with our Swiss colleague on this one. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erwin Posted July 14, 2017 Author Share Posted July 14, 2017 "I still remember our first try to play "Age of Napoleon". Looked like a "beer and bretzel" game with perfect components. After three hours of rules discussion, we concluded: Unplayable." OMG - I remember that monster as well. All the hours of rules lawyering. Where does one get the "proper" rules? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 On July 11, 2017 at 7:23 AM, StieliAlpha said: Otherwise, I am of the old board game faction (well, I still play them) and would say: Rather a good game play, than nice looks. I agree. When I began playing boardgames over 50 years ago, you were lucky to get cardboard counters with a minimum of information printed on them and thin paper maps which if you were very, very lucky would be printed in four colors (more likely only one or two). I still marvel at just how good the graphics are in CM. This is not to say that I would be opposed to better graphics if that were easily done. I just don't see that a great effort would be justified. I notice that some players feel differently about the subject, and I suppose that they are seeking a different playing experience from mine. They throw the word 'immersion' around a lot. Well, war is ugly and dangerous and I don't particularly wish to be especially immersed in it, thank you just the same. For me, the value of wargames is two fold. The first is as a dynamic interactive way to study a historical event that is of particular interest. The second is the intellectual challenge of solving a tactical or strategic problem. The rest, the fear, the hunger, the filth, the noise you can keep. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StieliAlpha Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 14 hours ago, Erwin said: "I still remember our first try to play "Age of Napoleon". Looked like a "beer and bretzel" game with perfect components. After three hours of rules discussion, we concluded: Unplayable." OMG - I remember that monster as well. All the hours of rules lawyering. Where does one get the "proper" rules? Monster? Are we talking about the same game? I refer to the AoN published by Phalanx Games back in 2003. Originally, it was more a "beer and pretzel" family game But "rules lawerying" sounds like it. You can download the 2006 official rules here: https://boardgamegeek.com/filepage/19792/aon-v2-main-rulespdf My printed copy seems to date back to 2005 and is v1.24, but I don't have the link anymore. If you want I could scan it for you. In addition, I have some comments and clarifications, from Renauld Verlaque, which I could send you. PM me, if you want it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StieliAlpha Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 On 11.7.2017 at 7:55 PM, Sgt.Squarehead said: I stand with our Swiss colleague on this one. German, please. I just happen to live in Switzerland since more than 20 years now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StieliAlpha Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 13 hours ago, Michael Emrys said: I agree. When I began playing boardgames over 50 years ago, you were lucky to get cardboard counters with a minimum of information printed on them and thin paper maps which if you were very, very lucky would be printed in four colors (more likely only one or two). I still marvel at just how good the graphics are in CM. This is not to say that I would be opposed to better graphics if that were easily done. I just don't see that a great effort would be justified. I notice that some players feel differently about the subject, and I suppose that they are seeking a different playing experience from mine. They throw the word 'immersion' around a lot. Well, war is ugly and dangerous and I don't particularly wish to be especially immersed in it, thank you just the same. For me, the value of wargames is two fold. The first is as a dynamic interactive way to study a historical event that is of particular interest. The second is the intellectual challenge of solving a tactical or strategic problem. The rest, the fear, the hunger, the filth, the noise you can keep. Michael Yep, when I started, "only" 40 years ago, I used to buy games of a topic, which interested me at the time (well, sort of obvious) and then started to read about it until I found "That's enough background" now. Very educating. Perfect way to learn a lot of details, which one never needs later. As for the immersion: I am fully with you, I too don't need the "blood and gore" part. But then, I remember some "La Bataille" battles,which we played over a long weekends, until late at night each day. Especially one of the many Waterloo replays, where I attacked the British left flank with one French Corps (which was a mistake in itself). And the front line wavered and crumbled for hours, but never broke. THAT was immersive. Emotions went pretty hot that day and dice flew through the room more than once.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erwin Posted July 14, 2017 Author Share Posted July 14, 2017 Sorry - I wuz thinking "Empires In Arms"... Alzeimers... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 3 hours ago, StieliAlpha said: German, please. I just happen to live in Switzerland since more than 20 years now. My apologies. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StieliAlpha Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 17 hours ago, Sgt.Squarehead said: My apologies. No problem. You don't hear the missing Swiss accent, when I am writing. ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletpoint Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 3 hours ago, StieliAlpha said: No problem. You don't hear the missing Swiss accent, when I am writing. ? Does that mean I don't have to read your posts aloud in a Schwarzenegger accent any more? (I know he's from Austria) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StieliAlpha Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 (edited) On 15.7.2017 at 6:15 PM, Bulletpoint said: Does that mean I don't have to read your posts aloud in a Schwarzenegger accent any more? (I know he's from Austria) Nope, try to pronounce it this way: Or rather like that? Edited July 17, 2017 by StieliAlpha 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StieliAlpha Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 On 14.7.2017 at 9:37 PM, Sgt.Squarehead said: My apologies. Well, life could be more difficult... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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