Squallion Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Is brutal. One IS-2 can take out several panzer IV. The objective is to be efficient, to put it briefly. I lost many A panzer. I ended up in a draw, because I didn't want to lose any more of my tanks (I lost 13, they lost ten). Upon reviewing the map, I realized that in the time I had left, I could've flanked them and completely conquered and won. Oh well. Lesson learned XD. But seriously... Those IS-2s. Any advice for armor tactics? I'm not sure I'm doing it right. Doesn't armor fight better on open ground? Should I be hiding them in forests and fighting from long distances? When clearing a town area with woods all through out it, should I just leave the tanks out? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorge MC Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 most german tanks do better at long distances, Overwhelming Firepower on open ground not just 1 or 2 tanks and Use your cover smoke wisely 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfhand Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Keep this in mind: http://www.battlefront.com/community/showpost.php?p=1238948&postcount=128 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c3k Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Nobody fights better from open ground. Hide, sneak, strike, run away, gang up on the weak one, hobble the strong one, cheat... and emerge gloriously victorious. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squallion Posted June 20, 2014 Author Share Posted June 20, 2014 Nobody fights better from open ground. Hide, sneak, strike, run away, gang up on the weak one, hobble the strong one, cheat... and emerge gloriously victorious. Yeah. I am really finding this out. Second mission is turning out even worse for me. My panzers are getting WRECKED. I'd rather restart the entire campaign than try to live with these losses. I feel like I can't beat the russian tanks. They take more hits, they deal harsh and accurate blows. I was always under the impression that Germany had the best tanks. Edit: Actually. My main issue is line of sight/fire. I can never seem to see the enemy first. On the rare occasions that I do, it's only one tank that responds, the others that should be able to see the same enemy don't see it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squallion Posted June 21, 2014 Author Share Posted June 21, 2014 I can also confidently say that the Russian medium tanks(they aren't T-34s), are one hitting my Panzer IVs. I almost never one hit them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorge MC Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 Nobody fights better from open ground. Hide, sneak, strike, run away, gang up on the weak one, hobble the strong one, cheat... and emerge gloriously victorious. thats why I stop playing HvsH for me that's not a realistic ww2 attack ..sneaking maybe ok for the recon force but for the main force no,,,once detecting a weak spot on the enemy lines and the terrain in my favor I like to prepare the main attack and strike there full force,Blitzkrieg style, bomb enemy positions smoke and attackl, have to learn this for CMFI and GL... thinking about making a video about it sorry for my bad english 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanir Ausf B Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 Huh, I don't recall seeing any IS-2s in the first German campaign mission. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snarre Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 yep i wondering same , first german mission there are 0 is2 tanks . i didint have nyt problem to complete it , lost only 2 stummel ht and 2 panzer . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skwabie Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 There're 2 IS1s. One is immobilized and they're hiding in the woods so indeed hard to see.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Wenman Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 There're 2 IS1s. One is immobilized and they're hiding in the woods so indeed hard to see Hmmmm...... I'm not sure about this, and I designed the mission ! P 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squallion Posted June 21, 2014 Author Share Posted June 21, 2014 I apologize. I mistook them for Is-2. When I click on them and look for unit information, I don't see T-34 anywhere. Just me being incompatible with the interface. It's even worse, to me, that they are T-34s and kick so much arse. Not that I would want the game changed. I'm learning how to handle tank combat in this game. It's just a brutal learning curve. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pelican Pal Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 They are all T-34 85s. The larger turret/gun seems to be the cause of the confusion. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLSTK Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 Squallion, you might want to start with the pre-loaded scenarios. I took one look at the German Campaign and realized I was in over my head. "Dead of Night" is a "tiny" probe (and therefore, a great place to start), while "Angriffe" took three tries before I could claim victory (challenging, yet not impossible). Scenarios may be more your speed...until you master the larger scale battle, that is. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skwabie Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Hmmmm...... I'm not sure about this, and I designed the mission ! P My bad. Got it confused with angriffe. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squallion Posted June 22, 2014 Author Share Posted June 22, 2014 Squallion, you might want to start with the pre-loaded scenarios. I took one look at the German Campaign and realized I was in over my head. "Dead of Night" is a "tiny" probe (and therefore, a great place to start), while "Angriffe" took three tries before I could claim victory (challenging, yet not impossible). Scenarios may be more your speed...until you master the larger scale battle, that is. Well, I managed to make it to the fourth mission. In the third mission, I STOMPED the Russians, so I'm hoping that when the final battle comes, I can utilize all of the units I didn't lose in that battle, which is almost all of them. For some reason, in that battle, things went my way. I found the enemy tanks first, and my tanks seemed as resilient and powerful as theirs. Pretty much created a massive Panzer VA firing line and cleared the map slowly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holien Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Third mission was pretty easy and I don't know if it can be fixed but most of the time the AI had rear of tanks facing mine and they were stopped. It just seemed odd that the Soviet tanks were not driving pell mell for their exits. Rather destroyed the feel of that scenario for me. The use of lots of trucks for Germans to be used a aircraft bait worked well and gave a sense of loss to air power, but overall that scenario was no where as good as the 1st two. I am now on my 4th one and with the reduced number of infantry I have, I am not sure how it will play out. I think I should have slightly easier time as I did manage to remove most of the T34's in the 2nd scenario... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squallion Posted June 22, 2014 Author Share Posted June 22, 2014 Third mission was pretty easy and I don't know if it can be fixed but most of the time the AI had rear of tanks facing mine and they were stopped. It just seemed odd that the Soviet tanks were not driving pell mell for their exits. Rather destroyed the feel of that scenario for me. The use of lots of trucks for Germans to be used a aircraft bait worked well and gave a sense of loss to air power, but overall that scenario was no where as good as the 1st two. I am now on my 4th one and with the reduced number of infantry I have, I am not sure how it will play out. I think I should have slightly easier time as I did manage to remove most of the T34's in the 2nd scenario... I'm on the exact same mission. I'm feeling pretty skimped on units. Four tanks, one of them has a broken main cannon, and only ONE platoon of fresh infantry, otherwise incomplete units. I am preparing to have to hit ceasfire if losses get too heavy :/. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLSTK Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 For some reason, in that battle, things went my way... In which case I shall be asking for your advice shortly. I'll have to pluck up the courage to actually start the campaign first. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squallion Posted June 22, 2014 Author Share Posted June 22, 2014 In which case I shall be asking for your advice shortly. I'll have to pluck up the courage to actually start the campaign first. It isn't kidding when it says to minimize your casualties. It really matters :X. That's really the hardest part. I have done this Mission#1: Draw. #2: Draw. #3 Major Victory. #4 Draw. LOL. Most games, I start with the campaign. I think that premade battles would've been the best way to start with Combat mission. Too late now. Finished the russian campaign with a draw. I imagine I'll finish this one with a draw. I don't feel too bad about that though, considering which game this is and that I chose warrior difficulty. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLSTK Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Good for you for jumping right into the campaign. Sounds like you've acquitted yourself rather well, all things considered. When's the AAR coming out? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squallion Posted June 22, 2014 Author Share Posted June 22, 2014 Good for you for jumping right into the campaign. Sounds like you've acquitted yourself rather well, all things considered. When's the AAR coming out? Sorry, but I would need to read a few of those to understand what exactly it is. After playing the campaign, I think that scenarios are definitely more for me. Either that or the German campaign just really turned me off. I did fine in and enjoyed the soviet campaign, because the losses didn't matter (If they did, I didn't even notice). This German campaign is REALLY stressing me out! The fifth mission is my first loss, I was taking too many tank losses, couldn't afford it, ceasefired. The sixth mission will be decisive. After I complete this campaign, I'm going to sit back, take a deep breath, and relax with some battles. No stress in knowing that you can take losses and not pay for it later XD. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squallion Posted June 24, 2014 Author Share Posted June 24, 2014 Update! In the end, I won the campaign with a major victory. I had three draws, two minor victories, and one minor loss. The campaign was a major victory. I think that's what I love about this game. I made the decision to ceasefire in a couple of missions, perhaps at a point that some people would consider premature, but I had to do it to save my forces, in the end the campaign was a success. I think this is the only game in which you could do that. Probably the hardest, most intense campaign I've ever played in any game. (I haven't played any other combat mission than RT) XD. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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