agusto Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 Sort of OT for this forum, but probably still intersting for some. Definately had been a surprise for me: Hopefully at least some of these weapons make it to the hands of museums or collectors. EDIT: filmed in Syria 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLSTK Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 Filmed in Charlton Heston's living room. True story. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeFF Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 Ah, the MP44. A military firearm collector's dream. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iMolestCats Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 Yea i believe the syrian rebels had been reported to have over 5,000 of those babies... Can i just have one? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatehunter Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 is the ammo common? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DasMorbo Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 Holy f**k! Where do these come from!? Seriously, how can so many Stg44s in that good shape have been stored somewhere without being noticed or used? I have seen pictures from the 90's showing african soldiers/guerillas/whatever running around with them so I thought the last usable ones were used up over there. Allahu akbar Olf 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agusto Posted April 3, 2013 Author Share Posted April 3, 2013 Seriously, how can so many Stg44s in that good shape have been stored somewhere without being noticed or used? Yeah that is an interesting question. Just checked out otherwise all-knowing Wikipedia and even there it says that it is unknown where these rifles came from. However it says that there that the FSA found up to 5000 StG-44 along with ammunation. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StG_44#Post-1945 Where is John Kettler to investigate this? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 Seriously, how can so many Stg44s in that good shape have been stored somewhere without being noticed or used? I am seriously suspicious that these are recently produced replicas. One wonders where though, especially if they are of sufficient quality to pass off as wartime originals. I recall that making AK-47s is something of a cottage industry in Pakistan, but this looks like a true arms factory would be required. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agusto Posted April 3, 2013 Author Share Posted April 3, 2013 Just googled a bit and found the following: "The Yugoslavian army used the MP44. One of the more extensively and systematic uses of the MP44 after the war, was in the Yugoslavian army, where it's said paratroops used the MP44 as the main handgun up to 1983. I am told that Tito gave Mr. Gadaffi (Libya) 40,000 MP44´s which trickled out to other countries." at http://claus.espeholt.dk/mp44.htm I have no idea how reliable that info is. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenris Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 Yes I imagine they're mainly ex-Yugoslavian... But that's just a hunch. -F 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanir Ausf B Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 There have been multiple reports of Croatia selling large amounts old surplus weapons to Saudi Arabia, who then funnels them into Syria. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoolaman Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 Could have taken the same route as the old PzIV. Postwar French sales to Syria. Wouldn't surprise me if they just got locked up in a warehouse somewhere and forgotten. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempestzzzz Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 Well whomever ended up with these in Africa was stupid. Real odd ball caliber today. Not like you can raid a warehouse or steal from dead soldiers. But the suppliers of the firearms sure would have control over the buyers. ("Yes I can get that kurtz round but eh the cost per round went up 35%") Great collector and conversation piece though (oooo-AAAHHHHH kewwwwllllll! Yeah it's on Youtube gawd i want that an MG42 blah blah blah) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeFF Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 I am seriously suspicious that these are recently produced replicas. Considering that original German MP44 ammo from WWII has been found in ammo bunkers in Iraq, it's not a stretch to conclude that many MP44s ended up in the middle east. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ales Dvorak Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 I was in mortar team (82mm) in Yugoslavian army in 1983. I don't remember those MP44, maybe paratroopers had them, but I remember a lot of PAP, Kalašnjikov and some Crvena Zvezda (Red Star) pistols. As a tube man I owned scorpion rifle. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkelried Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 as far as i understand the biggest user after WW2 was the East German NVA and the Volkspolizei. They produced the kurz ammo well into the 1980s it seems. The Yugoslavian Army used the MP44 with its paratroopers well into the 1980s too. Quite a few confiscated by UN troops during the 1990s as far as i remember. The Czechs had quite a few in 1945, but it seems that they never issued them to their own troops on a large scale - although there are some photographs of Czech paratroopers equipped with the MP44. seems that most turned up in Africa (also from YUG). My father in law had a photo with a few they confiscated in Algeria in the early 1960s ... No idea on soviet use. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slysniper Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 I like how they have been properly stored. That should make for a good weapon - right. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DasMorbo Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 I like how they have been properly stored. That should make for a good weapon - right. With the help of God they hit anything they want. Cheers Olf 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agusto Posted April 5, 2013 Author Share Posted April 5, 2013 With the help of God they hit anything they want. Insha'Allah! - "God willing!" is a common term in the Islamic world. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DasMorbo Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 Insha'Allah! - "God willing!" is a common term in the Islamic world. After using 'Alluh Akbar' already I didn't want to say that in order to not make me conspicious of having any clue of Islam. :eek: Best regards Olf 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poesel Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Insha'Allah! - "God willing!" is a common term in the Islamic world. Believe it or not it is also a common word with engineers when dealing with customers (islamic or not). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkelried Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 I like how they have been properly stored. That should make for a good weapon - right. seen worse storage for weapons in the region 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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