cmsf and cm Afghanistan

[lordhedgwich]

So im really new to the cm series i have cmbn+cw 2.0 and cmfi I have played the demos for cmA and cmsf they seem good.. But why were there no modules for cmA was it bad or not liked? Also i read all cmx2 games are supposed to have 2.0 upgrades so will these games get the upgrades too? thanks

[iMolestCats]

No they will not be getting upgrades. I think it wasnt worth the effort. But i rather liked CMA but CMSF was alot better with all of the molecules and i love javelins

[Schrullenhaft]

CMA was actually developed for/with Russian distributor 'Snowball'. The game was fairly 'all-inclusive' for the Afghan war 1979-1989, so there is no need for additional content (broadly speaking).

Unfortunately both CMA and CMSF's engines are dated enough that it is NOT worth going back and making all of the significant changes to update them (and all of their content, etc.). Modifying the models for CMBN and the Commonwealth module for CMBN 2.0 was a significant undertaking. Battlefront has decided that the coding and graphics work would not be worth the potential sales of such an upgrade (or the delay that such work would mean for new games and modules).

Modern war fans will have to wait for CMSF2 to get an updated engine (that will also get engine updates - if the current plan is followed). CMSF2 will take place in the Ukraine around the 2015 time frame; at least that is the last plan I heard of.

[lordhedgwich]

oohh cool i hope cmsf 2 will have russian federation i might **** a brick so CMa is not made by battlefront? Are you the other games made by them then?

[iMolestCats]

Notice UKRAINE...

[lordhedgwich]

yes i see Ukraine... But if we go by that logic fortress italy must onlyhave italians and no one else and battle for normandy has only french people... im hoping it is a conflict involving the russian federation

[iMolestCats]

I ment of course russia would be involved. Wouldnt make sense without them.

[Schrullenhaft]

Snowball provided a lot of the graphics work (textures, 3D models) and designed the scenarios/campaigns and provided the guidelines on forces, etc. Battlefront did the actual programming.

CMSF2 WILL include the Russian Federation as the primary NATO opponent. I don't know the hard details at this point and how the primary game and modules will be structured.

[Buzz]

"Modern war fans will have to wait for CMSF2 to get an updated engine (that will also get engine updates - if the current plan is followed). CMSF2 will take place in the Ukraine around the 2015 time frame; at least that is the last plan I heard of."

Having CMSF MAC with all the modules is great fun. Changes the game entirely IMO. Add all the Repository Scenarios, Campaigns and Mods = Plenty of game for an "old" engine.

I hope CMSF2 arrives before "2015 time frame" but whenever this Modern war fan will be on board.

*About the only issue I have with CMSF MAC is I can't get the PC sound mods to play. I posted about it but no answer. I am still hoping to get to use the PC sound mods in CMSF MAC some day.*

[Schrullenhaft]

The '2015 timeframe' is the setting for the game, NOT when it is expected to be published. I would GUESS that you may see CMSF2 BEFORE 2014. However release dates are always volatile, so it may be something that you see by early 2014.

[Buzz]

Thanks Schrullenhaft,

CMSF2 MAC BEFORE 2014 would be great!

Even if it takes longer it will be well worth the wait.

I have plenty of CMSF MAC to fight till then.

Steve, Drones are included in CMSF2?

You should not need a FAA license

[iMolestCats]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hzC4jSnRis&feature=youtube_gdata_player I want this in the new CMSF.

[baron Jacquinot]

I ment of course russia would be involved. Wouldnt make sense without them.

This is will be not a realistic game, since the conflict with Russia will mean nuclear war and there will be no close combat action.

Better would be to update the CMA, or make game about Vietnam.

[Apocal]

Just as a note, both sides possessed chemical weapons during WW2, occasionally accidentally fired them. WW2 did not turn into a chemical war for the fight between peer competitors.

[baron Jacquinot]

Just as a note, both sides possessed chemical weapons during WW2, occasionally accidentally fired them. WW2 did not turn into a chemical war for the fight between peer competitors.

Nuclear weapon can't be compared with chemical, nuclear weapon is easy way to win or fast revenge.

[LongLeftFlank]

Depends on the backstory. If you expect Fulda Gap to be relocated east 1500 miles (i.e. armoured brigades going head to head in WWIII) then yeah, nukes will probably fly.

But battalion scale meeting engagements between mechanized foreign-armed ethnic militias and external "peacekeepers" in the strife-torn Ukraine -- i.e. a Yugoslavia style intervention gone badly wrong -- are entirely plausible, and appropriate to the CM2 scale. IMHO.

[agusto]

Nuclear weapon can't be compared with chemical, nuclear weapon is easy way to win or fast revenge.

A large scale nuclear exchange between NATO and Russia wouldnt leave a winner. Both sides know that, so if there was a conflct between the two, they would probably stick with conventional weapons as long as both believe they are able to defeat their opponent. Both have first and second strike capabilities, so a surprising nuclear beaheading strike wouldnt lead to sucsess either. The 'balance of terror' strategy works surprisingly well.

[baron Jacquinot]

A large scale nuclear exchange between NATO and Russia wouldnt leave a winner. Both sides know that, so if there was a conflct between the two, they would probably stick with conventional weapons as long as both believe they are able to defeat their opponent. Both have first and second strike capabilities, so a surprising nuclear beaheading strike wouldnt lead to sucsess either. The 'balance of terror' strategy works surprisingly well.

You are wrong Augusto, lets imagine you staying with armed gun and in front of you staying man with armed gun(like on wild west), your first think - "what will be if he shot first?" No chance to close combat, both sides will think about their Anti missle defence, that she maybe save some lives. You can read Russian army doctrine, nuclear weapon will be used immediately.

Do you remember when Russian airborn battalion take airport in Prishtina, why Britons did not kill them with their heavy tanks? Because they know, Soviet nuclear rockets always behind this small paratrooper unit.

[Sgt Joch]

It depends on the situation, I can see many scenarios where a U.S.-Russia confontration would spin out into a full blown nuclear war.

However, since the Russians got the Bomb in 49, there have been many hot confrontations: Korea, East Berlin 53, Hungary 56, Cuba 62, Vietnam, six day war, Russia-China 69, yom kippur war 73, Afghanistan 79-89, Kuwait 91, Kosovo 99, Iraq 03, Georgia 08, which did not spin out into nuclear holocaust. In Korea, US and Russian pilots fought and in Vietnam, Russian technicians helped to operate the SAM networks shooting down american planes.

I could see certain limited situations where the US and Russia could clash without going "Nuklear".

The only certainty is that it would probably be a very short war, 1-2 weeks at the most, since the ROW would go into absolute panic mode if the US and Russia ever actually stated firing on each other.

[baron Jacquinot]

It depends on the situation, I can see many scenarios where a U.S.-Russia confontration would spin out into a full blown nuclear war.

However, since the Russians got the Bomb in 49, there have been many hot confrontations: Korea, East Berlin 53, Hungary 56, Cuba 62, Vietnam, six day war, Russia-China 69, yom kippur war 73, Afghanistan 79-89, Kuwait 91, Kosovo 99, Iraq 03, Georgia 08, which did not spin out into nuclear holocaust. In Korea, US and Russian pilots fought and in Vietnam, Russian technicians helped to operate the SAM networks shooting down american planes.

I could see certain limited situations where the US and Russia could clash without going "Nuklear".

The only certainty is that it would probably be a very short war, 1-2 weeks at the most, since the ROW would go into absolute panic mode if the US and Russia ever actually stated firing on each other.

Yes but, we don't know any official event when soldiers in uniform with documents firing each other, all this specialists and pilots have no documents and uniform, if they will be taken like prisoners of war, both sides can tell that this people just mercenary or something.

[agusto]

Yes but, we don't know any official event when soldiers in uniform with documents firing each other, all this specialists and pilots have no documents and uniform, if they will be take like prisoners of war, both sides can tell that this people just mercenary or something.

Pilots dont wear uniforms? What are flight suits then? Fetish?

[baron Jacquinot]

Pilots dont wear uniforms? What are flight suits then? Fetish?

In Korean war, Soviet pilots be dressed in Chinese uniform and don't have any Soviet documents at flight.

If you don't have uniform and documents you are not soldier of any side, just mercenary. If I come to US and start shooting to US soldiers, Russian government say that I just crazy man and don't will be start war, because I not official member of army, I have no uniform, documents and orders.

[Sgt Joch]

In Korea, the US knew many of the pilots were Soviet or East European. The Soviets would rotate in entire squadrons so they could get actual combat experience. The pilots were supposed to only speak Korean on the radio, but most found it too difficult and slipped back to Russian, German or whatever in the heat of combat. The US never raised it publicly since tensions were already high enough, but this has been verified now that US and Soviet archives from that period are now public.

Korea established many of the standards for a limited war. The US did not bomb any territory outside of Korea even though all the red squadrons were based in Manchuria. China never officially acknowledged it had any troops in Korea and the Soviets were very careful not to let their pilots fly over South Korea or the ocean to minimise the risk of capture.

[baron Jacquinot]

In Korea, the US knew many of the pilots were Soviet or East European. The Soviets would rotate in entire squadrons so they could get actual combat experience. The pilots were supposed to only speak Korean on the radio, but most found it too difficult and slipped back to Russian, German or whatever in the heat of combat. The US never raised it publicly since tensions were already high enough, but this has been verified now that US and Soviet archives from that period are now public.

Korea established many of the standards for a limited war. The US did not bomb any territory outside of Korea even though all the red squadrons were based in Manchuria. China never officially acknowledged it had any troops in Korea and the Soviets were very careful not to let their pilots fly over South Korea or the ocean to minimise the risk of capture.

I don't like this coward cold war conflicts, like say Sgt Barnes in film "Platoon" - These politicians are fighting with one hand while the other kept himself at balls.

[CrackSabbath]

The '2015 timeframe' is the setting for the game, NOT when it is expected to be published. I would GUESS that you may see CMSF2 BEFORE 2014. However release dates are always volatile, so it may be something that you see by early 2014.

Great news!! I'm looking forward to it whenever it comes out.