Mighty Ajax Posted August 3, 2012 Share Posted August 3, 2012 A scene from "The Victors." Carl Foreman, 1963. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boche Posted August 3, 2012 Share Posted August 3, 2012 Well...I dont quite know what to make out of that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gpig Posted August 3, 2012 Share Posted August 3, 2012 Good use of the Assualt command. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c3k Posted August 3, 2012 Share Posted August 3, 2012 Damn. Good grenades, eh? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankster65 Posted August 3, 2012 Share Posted August 3, 2012 Good use of the Assualt command. with a "pop smoke" command as well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigduke6 Posted August 3, 2012 Share Posted August 3, 2012 Hollywood music. That's why we won. Them Narzis never had a chance. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erwin Posted August 3, 2012 Share Posted August 3, 2012 You can recognize George Chakaris and some of the other actors... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjkerner Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 I saw thius in the theatre when I was 10, and it was one of those that always stuck with me. When I was in my 20's I saw it again, and the "newreel" made more of an impression, especially the "study in contrast" between the victors and the vanquished. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owenjones Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 It's amazing, it ends with the enthusiastic narrator saying "A study in contrasts, the captives and The Victors!" Only, I can't see much contrast. All I see are some terrified, post-adrenaline surge young men, angrily waving the intrusive camera out of their revery. Honestly I can imagine some "victors" envying their captives whose fighting days are most likely over. EDIT: Or HA! I thought it was actual footage from WWII, not a clearly anti-war 1960's movie. Thanks for your elucidating posts, Erwin & mjkerner. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nik mond Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 It's amazing, it ends with the enthusiastic narrator saying "A study in contrasts, the captives and The Victors!" Only, I can't see much contrast. All I see are some terrified, post-adrenaline surge young men, angrily waving the intrusive camera out of their revery. Honestly I can imagine some "victors" envying their captives whose fighting days are most likely over. EDIT: Or HA! I thought it was actual footage from WWII, not a clearly anti-war 1960's movie. Thanks for your elucidating posts, Erwin & mjkerner. Yeah I bet they had some vet advisors, right down to the grunt angrily motioning the camera man to get the hell out of the way. The weapon reloading was choreographed well. Small details like that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjkerner Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 I saw thius in the theatre when I was 10, and it was one of those that always stuck with me. When I was in my 20's I saw it again, and the "newreel" made more of an impression, especially the "study in contrast" between the victors and the vanquished. Hmmm, I can't seem to edit my posts???? Anyhoo, sorry for the typos, especially "newsreel". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunnergoz Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Seems that about 20 years after a war, some creative film maker often decides he's going to "tell it like it was", i.e. how he imagined it was, which is often in marked contrast to the wartime and immediate postwar films that are usually very patriotic and gung-ho. This happened about 20 years after WW2, and again after Korea and Vietnam, each war having films that were to some degree revisionistic being made quite some time after the shooting was over. Hollywood tends to see everything through some sort of filter that seems to warp reality, be it in contemporary or postwar films. Even Audie Murphy couldn't get Hollywood to make a truly realistic war movie: as much as he tried, "To Hell and Back" still had all the typical Hollywood hoo-rah stuff in it, though many parts of it did come from Murphy's wartime experiences. Lee Marvin had a bit better luck with his "Big Red One" but that was a long time later and it was nowhere near as melodramatic as was Audie's film, which was a product of the 50's when WW2 was still seen through more idealistic filters. Modern film making seems to be taking a different course. Not entirely sure if it is because the wars seem to go on forever nowdays, or because the internet makes it difficult to easily categorize wartime experience into simplistic black and white events. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Belenko Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 The final line "A study in contrast the vanquished and the victors". I didn't see any contrast. Both groups of men looked exhausted and battle weary. EDIT: I saw the same thing owenjones. I didn't read yours till after I had posted. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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