Michael Emrys Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 Peter Jackson was supposed to do a remake of this film, starting in 2008. I haven't heard anything about it in a long time. Did production stop, or are they being unusually quiet about it? Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wicky Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 Sneak preview http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mop2WFRfxow 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonS Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 Many moons ago ... maybe ... 2007? I worked with a guy who had quite a bit to do with various aspects of Jackson's burgeoning empire. At that time he mentioned, in passing, that he'd recently seen a massive diorama depicting a WWII battle scene. About the only specific detail he mentioed was that it included Tigers. He had no idea what it was for, even if it was for an ongoing or proposed movie. I always wondered what that was about. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted May 17, 2012 Author Share Posted May 17, 2012 Sneak preview http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mop2WFRfxow Well, that was weird. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stalins Organ Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 Looks like they're thinking of restarting the remake or something - see this blog entry that latest local news appears to be from the middle of last year - the dog will be called "Digger".... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted May 17, 2012 Author Share Posted May 17, 2012 One wonders what role Stephen Fry might have in such a film. Don't get me wrong, I think he is a wonderful actor and I love to watch him at work; I'm just having trouble seeing him fit anywhere in this particular narrative...unless he is doing a cameo as a minor character. Michael [late edit] Ah, so the second article says that he is involved in some of the script writing. That makes a certain amount of sense. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigduke6 Posted May 18, 2012 Share Posted May 18, 2012 I think the point is that supposedly a lot of the Star Wars movie where the good guys have to fly little fighters down into a canyon on a Death Star to shoot some special panel to blow it up, was inspired by the Dambusters movie. Aircraft moving fast inbetween giant walls, technicolor AAA, several good guys crash leaving the Hero the final shot to take out the Target, etc. etc. But you can't replicate those stiff-upper-lip British officer pilots with their oh-so-regional workman crew, as they cheerily Get On With It and Muddle Through. They're gone the way of the dinosaur, sad really. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gautrek Posted May 18, 2012 Share Posted May 18, 2012 But you can't replicate those stiff-upper-lip British officer pilots with their oh-so-regional workman crew, . I think you will find that this is a bit of a fallacy.Mainly due to most Post WWII films having well spoken actors playing the parts.The split between stiff up lip toff's and the common man was a lot smaller than people think. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-E Posted May 18, 2012 Share Posted May 18, 2012 I think you will find that this is a bit of a fallacy.Mainly due to most Post WWII films having well spoken actors playing the parts.The split between stiff up lip toff's and the common man was a lot smaller than people think. I think that was his point. However, you'll never convince Capt Mainwaring of that! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunnergoz Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 I hope they do it justice. There was a fascinating documentary on cable a few weeks ago where an Alaska-based C-54 was used to replicate bombing runs on a miniature dam reconstruction. In one scary moment, they had video of the water spray plume of the dropped bomb nearly taking the tail off the C-54 - which may have happened to some of the real Lancs during the actual raid IIRC - or was a risk they worried about at the time, at least. The documentary goes into great detail about how they re-created the bombs and bomb spinning mechanism that was used historically. A great way to spend an hour if you can catch the show. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted May 19, 2012 Author Share Posted May 19, 2012 I hope they do it justice. There was a fascinating documentary on cable a few weeks ago where an Alaska-based C-54 was used to replicate bombing runs on a miniature dam reconstruction. In one scary moment, they had video of the water spray plume of the dropped bomb nearly taking the tail off the C-54 - which may have happened to some of the real Lancs during the actual raid IIRC - or was a risk they worried about at the time, at least. The documentary goes into great detail about how they re-created the bombs and bomb spinning mechanism that was used historically. A great way to spend an hour if you can catch the show. That was on PBS. I watched it a couple of months ago from their website. Frankly, I wasn't terribly impressed with the experiment. I guess you could say it was amazing that it worked at all, but it was the kinetic force of the bomb hitting their dam rather than the blast/shock that broke it. They sort of glossed over that part. The wartime setup was orders of magnitude better...but then, they had orders of magnitude more money to spend on it. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted May 19, 2012 Author Share Posted May 19, 2012 In one scary moment, they had video of the water spray plume of the dropped bomb nearly taking the tail off the C-54 - which may have happened to some of the real Lancs during the actual raid IIRC... Not a Lanc and not during the raid, but it did happen to one of the planes (a Wellington?) during the testing. I think all aboard were killed. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 Bigduke6, I believe the film you're thinking of is "633 Squadron," which I happened to see recently. It has all the elements you cite. Regards, John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigduke6 Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 Yeah, that's the one. Thanks. SBK 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonS Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 There is a tiny update here: http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/film/8094600/Jackson-reveals-Hobbit-cameo 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwolf Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Peter Jackson was not scheduled to do the hobbit movie, not to mention the whole Hobbit licensing and financing madness, and that was a project he was interested in. In the end he did direct the Hobbit, which turned into a trilogy. So he'll be busy for at least 18 more months. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gautrek Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 I have just got my mate the Dambusters Haynes workshop manual for xmas.Its covers all marks from 1943 onwards.I must admit it took me a while to wrap it up as I kept reading it.I may have to purchase this for my self after xmas.To go with my Tiger tank owners workshop manual 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted December 19, 2012 Author Share Posted December 19, 2012 There is a tiny update here: http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/film/8094600/Jackson-reveals-Hobbit-cameo Thanks. Ten Lancaster bomber planes were already built and in storage for the movie, he said. I'm gonna stick my neck out and guess that these are non-flying examples. Yeah, I know that Jackson is often lavish in his preparations, but even he much have limits...somewhere. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonS Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 http://dambustersblog.com/ http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/film/2383809/Takeoff-looms-for-Dambusters 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonS Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 I'm gonna stick my neck out and guess that these are non-flying examples. Yeah, I know that Jackson is often lavish in his preparations, but even he much have limits...somewhere. I somehow think that if ten full sized, flying Lancaster replicas had been assembled ... you would have heard about it! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted December 20, 2012 Author Share Posted December 20, 2012 I somehow think that if ten full sized, flying Lancaster replicas had been assembled ... you would have heard about it! I don't doubt it. Last I heard, and it was no more than a month ago, there were only two flying Lancs in the world. One is with the Battle of Britain Flight and the other is in Canada (I don't recall offhand which organization owns it). Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
costard Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 That was on PBS. I watched it a couple of months ago from their website. Frankly, I wasn't terribly impressed with the experiment. I guess you could say it was amazing that it worked at all, but it was the kinetic force of the bomb hitting their dam rather than the blast/shock that broke it. They sort of glossed over that part. The wartime setup was orders of magnitude better...but then, they had orders of magnitude more money to spend on it. MichaelHang on. Barnes Wallis? The observation of the shockwave effect in bridge pylons? The failures on the earthen dams? All incorrect? Just the fact that they able to place the bomb against the wall would have helped, surely? So the experiment wasn't a failure, just expensive. Movie Star expensive... The reflection of a shock wave under water from a higher density mass can be modelled in ultrasound - the greater the difference in densities, and the more uniform the boundary between the two, the more energy is focused at the boundary. Whether a significant proportion of the energy would find mechanical release in the surface of the wall was what Barnes Wallis experimented on, after noticing the way the tops of concrete bridge piers were shattering when hit with a large steam hammer into a particular river bottom. In the case of the piers, the shockwave was traveling from the hammer, down the pier, hitting and reflecting off the river bottom (change in density) and traveling back to the top. There it meets a even more marked change in density - some of the energy in the shockwave has to keep going in the direction of the open air. If their isn't enough mass in the air, there is little route for the energy to go to heat. Instead, the reflection back from the top surface of the pier sets up harmonic waves of standing force in the concrete, which under tension, turns to fragments. The kinetic energy of the flying fragments accounts for some portion of the energy of the shockwave. From what I underst[ood\and], what Mr Wallis found was that the amount of explosive required to cause a dam wall to fail was relatively small if it was placed up against the wall, (well, duh) and was smaller again if placed on the wet side of the wall. He then turned his mind to placing a relatively small amount of explosive up against the wet side of a dam wall (small being about 1 tonne here, I think, could be wrong) without using up hundreds of bombers. Apparently the method he came up with worked. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dieseltaylor Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 O?T slightly New Spitfire restored takes to the air http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2250667/Rebuilt-Spitfire-flies-Filton-aerodrome-BAE-closes-home-Concorde.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwolf Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 I somehow think that if ten full sized, flying Lancaster replicas had been assembled ... you would have heard about it! What if they weren't intended just for movie making. You know those GPS coordinates your phone transmits back to ... well everybody. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted December 20, 2012 Author Share Posted December 20, 2012 Hang on. Barnes Wallis? The observation of the shockwave effect in bridge pylons? The failures on the earthen dams? All incorrect? Huh? Where did I say that? The remainder of your post was interesting and true SFAIK, but I don't see how it addresses either what I posted or your paragraph immediately above. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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