Maciej Zwolinski

As a side note: You are mixiing up two Polish armies. The Anders Polish army was organised in 1941 out of those, who were not shot in Katyń, survived Gulags and transportation to Siberia or Central Asia. Soon they left Soviet Union via Persia to Palestine and went on to fight in the Middle East and Italy with the British. The other army, which had been organised in 1943 and got the influx of men mobilised in territories reconquered in 1944 was called the Polish People's Army (going by the commander's name, Berling's army, not Anders'). 
On the main point: I am not interested in whether Red Army is whitewashed or villified by anyone in this forum, I do not think this discussion would lead to any edifying conclusion. It was a horrible organisation, how horrible? How long is a piece of string?
What I am interested is this: I have read opinions that by 1944 (or 1945) Red Army was so depleted on men that it had to rely on people mobilised in the reconquered territories in order to keep fighting effectively. I have not seen any data to prove or disprove this point, though, but maybe someone else on this forum has. The Wikipedia data about losses during the entire war does not really weigh on this point either way, being too aggregated.
 

This is not the point Kraze was making. He specifically referred to the period after 1944 as the time when the Russians were in the minority and to the period 1941-1942 when it was mostly Russians fighting. The Wikipedia statistics quoted above are for the whole war so they do not refute his point, as it is possible that the majority of ethnic Russians casualties happened in the first phase of the war. There is evidence for Soviets conscripting heavily from the regions vacated by the Germans as soon as the front moved further west.
I would be very interested if someone has the data specifically for 1944 onwards.

As a side note: You are mixiing up two Polish armies. The Anders Polish army was organised in 1941 out of those, who were not shot in Katyń, survived Gulags and transportation to Siberia or Central Asia. Soon they left Soviet Union via Persia to Palestine and went on to fight in the Middle East and Italy with the British. The other army, which had been organised in 1943 and got the influx of men mobilised in territories reconquered in 1944 was called the Polish People's Army (going by the commander's name, Berling's army, not Anders'). 
On the main point: I am not interested in whether Red Army is whitewashed or villified by anyone in this forum, I do not think this discussion would lead to any edifying conclusion. It was a horrible organisation, how horrible? How long is a piece of string?
What I am interested is this: I have read opinions that by 1944 (or 1945) Red Army was so depleted on men that it had to rely on people mobilised in the reconquered territories in order to keep fighting effectively. I have not seen any data to prove or disprove this point, though, but maybe someone else on this forum has. The Wikipedia data about losses during the entire war does not really weigh on this point either way, being too aggregated.
 

Who's the young fella here? I have been reading this forum since 2003, steadily lurking at periscope depth. Well, I lost 1 account and had to open another, so maybe not so steadily, but that's mere formality, a lawyer's quibble I say.

Who's the young fella here? I have been reading this forum since 2003, steadily lurking at periscope depth. Well, I lost 1 account and had to open another, so maybe not so steadily, but that's mere formality, a lawyer's quibble I say.

As a side note: You are mixiing up two Polish armies. The Anders Polish army was organised in 1941 out of those, who were not shot in Katyń, survived Gulags and transportation to Siberia or Central Asia. Soon they left Soviet Union via Persia to Palestine and went on to fight in the Middle East and Italy with the British. The other army, which had been organised in 1943 and got the influx of men mobilised in territories reconquered in 1944 was called the Polish People's Army (going by the commander's name, Berling's army, not Anders'). 
On the main point: I am not interested in whether Red Army is whitewashed or villified by anyone in this forum, I do not think this discussion would lead to any edifying conclusion. It was a horrible organisation, how horrible? How long is a piece of string?
What I am interested is this: I have read opinions that by 1944 (or 1945) Red Army was so depleted on men that it had to rely on people mobilised in the reconquered territories in order to keep fighting effectively. I have not seen any data to prove or disprove this point, though, but maybe someone else on this forum has. The Wikipedia data about losses during the entire war does not really weigh on this point either way, being too aggregated.
 

As a side note: You are mixiing up two Polish armies. The Anders Polish army was organised in 1941 out of those, who were not shot in Katyń, survived Gulags and transportation to Siberia or Central Asia. Soon they left Soviet Union via Persia to Palestine and went on to fight in the Middle East and Italy with the British. The other army, which had been organised in 1943 and got the influx of men mobilised in territories reconquered in 1944 was called the Polish People's Army (going by the commander's name, Berling's army, not Anders'). 
On the main point: I am not interested in whether Red Army is whitewashed or villified by anyone in this forum, I do not think this discussion would lead to any edifying conclusion. It was a horrible organisation, how horrible? How long is a piece of string?
What I am interested is this: I have read opinions that by 1944 (or 1945) Red Army was so depleted on men that it had to rely on people mobilised in the reconquered territories in order to keep fighting effectively. I have not seen any data to prove or disprove this point, though, but maybe someone else on this forum has. The Wikipedia data about losses during the entire war does not really weigh on this point either way, being too aggregated.
 

There are many Ukrainians working in Poland, so now is our turn to return the favour.

Apologies in advance to the German forum members and the good Herr Oberst, it is uncalled for but I could not help myself. The title of this is so Deutsche Wochenschau 1943....

There are many Ukrainians working in Poland, so now is our turn to return the favour.

There are many Ukrainians working in Poland, so now is our turn to return the favour.

Better still, you can make a Babushka Doll of a Russian soldier if you manage to score a direct hit and put one inside him.

Causeway?

Causeway?

Of course. Wunderwaffen and Volkssturm will turn the tide of the war. 

Of course. Wunderwaffen and Volkssturm will turn the tide of the war. 

Surely Ukrainians are Gondorians, living in the shadow of Mordor for years and vainly trying to wake the rest of the Free Peoples up to the threat.

The man is from a country fighting a war against genocidal enemy. His is a different perspective. I think that this would be the case for many other forum members, if we were in his place.  War is by definition collective violence and by definition makes people guilty by association and enemies for no other reason, than their nationality. This extends to emotions about the enemy, which of course tends to be hate. 
The imperative not to say anything racist or "hate-speachy" is something for people not concerned with life or death or, yes, feelings of revenge for the destruction of their country and barbaric murder of their compatriots.   Let us respect that this is a different situation and move along. Nobody is required to support what Kraze is saying but it should be acknowledged this is something else than trolling about WW2 war crimes or Middle East ethnic issues, which the forum rules are intended to prevent.

The man is from a country fighting a war against genocidal enemy. His is a different perspective. I think that this would be the case for many other forum members, if we were in his place.  War is by definition collective violence and by definition makes people guilty by association and enemies for no other reason, than their nationality. This extends to emotions about the enemy, which of course tends to be hate. 
The imperative not to say anything racist or "hate-speachy" is something for people not concerned with life or death or, yes, feelings of revenge for the destruction of their country and barbaric murder of their compatriots.   Let us respect that this is a different situation and move along. Nobody is required to support what Kraze is saying but it should be acknowledged this is something else than trolling about WW2 war crimes or Middle East ethnic issues, which the forum rules are intended to prevent.

The man is from a country fighting a war against genocidal enemy. His is a different perspective. I think that this would be the case for many other forum members, if we were in his place.  War is by definition collective violence and by definition makes people guilty by association and enemies for no other reason, than their nationality. This extends to emotions about the enemy, which of course tends to be hate. 
The imperative not to say anything racist or "hate-speachy" is something for people not concerned with life or death or, yes, feelings of revenge for the destruction of their country and barbaric murder of their compatriots.   Let us respect that this is a different situation and move along. Nobody is required to support what Kraze is saying but it should be acknowledged this is something else than trolling about WW2 war crimes or Middle East ethnic issues, which the forum rules are intended to prevent.

The man is from a country fighting a war against genocidal enemy. His is a different perspective. I think that this would be the case for many other forum members, if we were in his place.  War is by definition collective violence and by definition makes people guilty by association and enemies for no other reason, than their nationality. This extends to emotions about the enemy, which of course tends to be hate. 
The imperative not to say anything racist or "hate-speachy" is something for people not concerned with life or death or, yes, feelings of revenge for the destruction of their country and barbaric murder of their compatriots.   Let us respect that this is a different situation and move along. Nobody is required to support what Kraze is saying but it should be acknowledged this is something else than trolling about WW2 war crimes or Middle East ethnic issues, which the forum rules are intended to prevent.

The man is from a country fighting a war against genocidal enemy. His is a different perspective. I think that this would be the case for many other forum members, if we were in his place.  War is by definition collective violence and by definition makes people guilty by association and enemies for no other reason, than their nationality. This extends to emotions about the enemy, which of course tends to be hate. 
The imperative not to say anything racist or "hate-speachy" is something for people not concerned with life or death or, yes, feelings of revenge for the destruction of their country and barbaric murder of their compatriots.   Let us respect that this is a different situation and move along. Nobody is required to support what Kraze is saying but it should be acknowledged this is something else than trolling about WW2 war crimes or Middle East ethnic issues, which the forum rules are intended to prevent.

The man is from a country fighting a war against genocidal enemy. His is a different perspective. I think that this would be the case for many other forum members, if we were in his place.  War is by definition collective violence and by definition makes people guilty by association and enemies for no other reason, than their nationality. This extends to emotions about the enemy, which of course tends to be hate. 
The imperative not to say anything racist or "hate-speachy" is something for people not concerned with life or death or, yes, feelings of revenge for the destruction of their country and barbaric murder of their compatriots.   Let us respect that this is a different situation and move along. Nobody is required to support what Kraze is saying but it should be acknowledged this is something else than trolling about WW2 war crimes or Middle East ethnic issues, which the forum rules are intended to prevent.

The man is from a country fighting a war against genocidal enemy. His is a different perspective. I think that this would be the case for many other forum members, if we were in his place.  War is by definition collective violence and by definition makes people guilty by association and enemies for no other reason, than their nationality. This extends to emotions about the enemy, which of course tends to be hate. 
The imperative not to say anything racist or "hate-speachy" is something for people not concerned with life or death or, yes, feelings of revenge for the destruction of their country and barbaric murder of their compatriots.   Let us respect that this is a different situation and move along. Nobody is required to support what Kraze is saying but it should be acknowledged this is something else than trolling about WW2 war crimes or Middle East ethnic issues, which the forum rules are intended to prevent.

The man is from a country fighting a war against genocidal enemy. His is a different perspective. I think that this would be the case for many other forum members, if we were in his place.  War is by definition collective violence and by definition makes people guilty by association and enemies for no other reason, than their nationality. This extends to emotions about the enemy, which of course tends to be hate. 
The imperative not to say anything racist or "hate-speachy" is something for people not concerned with life or death or, yes, feelings of revenge for the destruction of their country and barbaric murder of their compatriots.   Let us respect that this is a different situation and move along. Nobody is required to support what Kraze is saying but it should be acknowledged this is something else than trolling about WW2 war crimes or Middle East ethnic issues, which the forum rules are intended to prevent.