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Nice Statement Thomm. +1 from me!

I played lots of CMSF. The wohle Campaign about 10 Mission and the Second Fan Made Campaign in Iron Mode. Just run the Test. Take Tank Platoon and do the Spotting with 1 of them. 2 Seconds later the Whole Platoon knows where it is. Its okay with these PDA things but even then and in the Chaos of a Fight the Track&Engage is to fast. Same goes with Infantry Units and APCs.

Hello. I just got some Questions about the C2 Modelling in the Game. I remembered that they should be modelled with Signalpistols or Running Soldier that bring Infos of enemy Units, Spotting Data etc. to HQ Units wich give them to other Units. I Know that 2h Battle in Combat Mission is more then 2h Battle in Realtime. We talked about that. But even then the C2 Info passing on other Units in my Opinion was way to fast in CMSF for Both Forces, Syrian and US even in Iron Mode. 1. So how long will it take for Spotting Unit with activ C2 Line take to give Info to other Unit? 2. Is it longer Time for longer Way? 3. Wich Kinds of C2 are modelled? Handsigns? Signalpostols? Radio? Please explain the C2 Modell in the Game. I could live with Instant Spotting. If it takes long enough to pass the Info to every Unit in Town.

Thats an absolutly valid Point! The Spotting is way to fast in CMSF and the C2 Info goes way to fast to every Units. Yeah the PDA Hightec things but even then its waaaaaay to fast. Same Problem with CMBN. There is a Sniper laying not in best cover. Instantly 3 Tanks! Yes Tanks the one with WW2 Spotting Capabilitys see them all 3 Instantly. Every Yankee in Town knows it suddenly. Dont want to say its biased. Same goes for the Germans aswell. So the Biggest Problem for me isnt just the "InstantID Problem" but also the "C2 Lightning Speed Info passing"

thx for the Info. hm.. Good or Bad News? Hope The Armour Penetration Charts are in the Game. Hope we wont see that CMSF Red Cross Thing that never ever explained anything.

How many Shots did that Sherman take to take out that Sniper Position and what Range was it? How long did your Troops stood there until you recognized the Enemy? How fast did other Units rec that the Enemy was there? Any Delay on C2 Commands? Or same Speed as CMSF?

Im not question that it is fast. But a bit too fast simulated in the Game. Same for the Nato Tanks. I know they have their Spotting Systems and Electronic Maps where they can place that Contacts. But in the Chaos of Battle its a tad overmodelled. Its that nice thing "on Paper" looking that good not working in reality that well. Take a look at "Ambush Alley" and you see what happens to that Fancy High Tec Armys in Action. ;-)

So we have the same Everything or Nothing Spotting System like CMSF? That was one of the worst thing in this Title. It was so well praised and it never lived to its expectations. The US Forces was still the Borgspotter. When a M1A1 spotted an Enemy Tank a Milsec later the whole army knew where it was. I liked the System overall. But the Times for other Units knowing where the Enemy is was Waaaaay to short. So we have the CMSF Spotting System in?

@Ck3: True. I worked for Zeiss here in Germany. But i wont argue. Wont waste my Time and Energy. Game is done and there are some things in the World you just cant change. Hope it gets a good one. If so i will buy it. If not i wont.

With Arguments like that from BFC i start getting the Sense that the Game will be biased to the US Side like the CMSF Title where. US-Americans work on the Game and they do just what they can to make it "balanced" Hope it wont dissapoint me like the CMSF Title did. I started out with "Nice One ohh and ahh" but realised that its absolutly not Fun in the Long Term. No MP games showed up because of that assymetric Warfare and complicated Winning Condition. Hope the Tanks dont get that UBER like the Overmodeled M1A1 and his friends. Did the Allies have Stereo Optics on their Tanks? If not there is definatly an Advantage in Aiming. You can easier Ladder-Shot and are better with Stereo Sights in Estimating the Range. If Allied have those Optics i take this point back. But i would like to look at Documents that show. Im still ooking forward for Normandy but keep cool as it gets closer to release. I have been to dissapointed what happend with CMSF Uberforces against the Syrian Army.

BF have to cope with that. They announce Games and make promises how good,Super etc. it gets. So ppl get demands and Expectations. Simple as that! So questions "How far out?" are normal questions if you announce Games and want the ppl to hang on with you in the Process and getting horny to buy the Game when its out. ;-)

So so much Pages and still no ETA?

The One thing im mostly looking forward is the Symetric Warfare and not the Overmodelled UBER US Forces F***** everthing :-D

I remember an Option in old CM TItles dunno if its there in CMSF too. With a Hotkey you could make the Vehicles bigger for better view.

I wonder why you want to set this in CM:N?! Its realeased? ^^

Only Problem with that is that the Germans will blow the Hordes of the Tommy Pixeltruppen

The US and UK Tanks are really strong. Bit too strong in my Opinion. But hey, thats just my Opinion.

Its a UBER Coalation Tank (as modelled in the Game). Survived i gues with some minor dmg or Trackdmg.

A New Armed Assault with that Graphics and a real KI would blow my Head off

We still now nothing.

Calm down? Im relaxed as a Boy can be. But im loosing interest in following here.

Im not willing to search the whole Forum for the ETAs giving by Steve for the Release of the CMN Title and the Nato Module. So as we get closer to release i hope you can estimate how far its away? 3 Days? 3 Weeks 3 Month? 3 Years? Im a bit sceptic for a soon Release, there arent any Previews anywhere and no Forum has been opend yet, just some Alpha Screens of some Tank and Inf Modelles. So how far away is it? Christmas 2010? 2011?

I think it will get delayed for one more year. There is no Forum yet just a Few Screenshots and an explanation about the QB System. No Preview on several Sites and no offical Release Date. No Forum and no Montly Blogs about the Game. Its just not ready. In a few Month Steve will come here and say "Sorry Guys there is a huge coding think we havent mentioned etv. etc. " and it will get delayed for another Year.

I had same Problems too in "The Crucibel". T-62M Shot on a WMIK on 400m. First One Misses (as usual) and the Second one was a direct hit. It killed the Guy beside the Drive without doing any more Damage to the Tank. Things you cant explain. Beside the inferior Tec and Education Standards there are Mayor Glitches for the Syrian Side.

The So Great Relative Spotting didnt have so much influcence on the Outcome of the Battle in CMSF then i expected. Hope that gets better with CM:N Making the Relative Spotting more Visible in a Logfile or something would be great. Some way to make it visible. In CMSF a Stryker seen the Enemy and 5sec later the whole Borg knows the Position of the Enemy. Where is the diffrence to CMx1 there?