The Commissar

KiwiJoe, There were some 300 or less reported cases through the entire war on the Ostfront. Of course, many cases were not reported due to many details. This topic has been discussed to death I think. You will find more details if you look up a few older ones (not that old, only bout a month). When collisions were done, however, some impressive results were achieved on occasion. One Soviet got the Hero's award for driving his T-34 through a Nazi convoy, killing over a hundred men, several dozen trucks and a good number of towed guns. Its all on a link I have in some of these older threads, look it up and you'll see. Its an excellent link, all about tank collisions. Cheers! ------------------ "...Every position, every meter of Soviet soil must be defended to the last drop of blood..." - Segment from Order 227 "Not a step back"

Bah, Americans and their spelling mistakes... Maybe they refer to the tsaritsa that way in English, but in Russian it was always tsaritsa. ------------------ "...Every position, every meter of Soviet soil must be defended to the last drop of blood..." - Segment from Order 227 "Not a step back"

Its Tsaritsa. Just showing off, dont mind me

Oh, and by the way, this link someone already mentioned: providedhttp://www.notam.uio.no/~hcholm/altlang/ht/Russian.html It has a lot of false information. Words are not understood and translated properly, like when they say "bl'adi" means "bitch" and "ebalo" means face. "Bl'adi" means "f@ck" and "ebalo" is the dirty word for vagina. "ebalnik" is the dirty word for a penis. In Russian, the ending of the words makes all the difference. The "nik" at the end of the later that it is the thing performing the action (in this case f@ing) and "no" at the end of the former signigies that the action is being performed on it (or in this case in it). Oh, and BTW, Im sorry if I forgot to censor some words here. Sorry If I offended anyone, just trying to be helpful Please dont ban me!! ------------------ "...Every position, every meter of Soviet soil must be defended to the last drop of blood..." - Segment from Order 227 "Not a step back" [This message has been edited by The Commissar (edited 03-26-2001).]

Bah. Amateurs 1) This was translated correctly 2) Now we get to the fun part First off, "Eb tvoyu mat'" translates not to "go f* your mother" but simply "f*your mother. "Eb" meaning "f*" while "tvoyu mat'" meaning "your mother". Russian - "...Ty Sranniy Nemetski Razpizdyie!" English - "You ****ty nemetski* f@ck around" * = Nemetski is is a word that comes from the word "nemets" which translates to "not of this place" or simply stranger. Germans, strangers to Russia, were thus Nemetski. Razpizdui is a very difficult word to translate. Some Russian words are like this, combining many different words into a combinaion which really makes sence only in Russian! 3) "Mwee Goro-DAH raz-bom-BEE-lee na-KHOO-wee, Blyad!" "My city got bombed to dick*, ****!" Notice that the direct translation doesnt make much sence in English, but it sounds good in Russian (unless youre speaking to your mother and she understands the language ) "Na-Hui" means "on a dick", with "Na" being "on" and "Hui" being "dick". "Bladi" generally is understood as meaning "f@ck", although this cannot be used in the sexual way like you can use "f@ck" in English. "Bladi" is purely for cursing purposes Cheers! The Commissar, supreme scholar of foul language. ------------------ "...Every position, every meter of Soviet soil must be defended to the last drop of blood..." - Segment from Order 227 "Not a step back"

Why throw something perfectly useable out? Sure, it wont do much at all in modern firefights, but it could be used for training purposes. Since Soviets mass-produce everything, most of the old useless junk isnt thrown away, melted down, or put in museums like in Western nations - it's sold to desperate 3rd world countries who dont have much in the way of weapons and need anything they can get. Dont be fooled - tanks, no matter how old (well, maybe not WW1) can still be deadly and thus being in possesion of one when your enemy has nothing to stop them is a fine advantage. ------------------ "...Every position, every meter of Soviet soil must be defended to the last drop of blood..." - Segment from Order 227 "Not a step back"

Imagine if BTS was funded by the military to create CMII ahead of time so they can use it? Doesnt sound like a bad idea, now does it...Hmmmm.... ------------------ "...Every position, every meter of Soviet soil must be defended to the last drop of blood..." - Segment from Order 227 "Not a step back"

Since I think this is a grand utility, this topic does NOT deserve to be on the bottom of the page! *BUMP* ------------------ "...Every position, every meter of Soviet soil must be defended to the last drop of blood..." - Segment from Order 227 "Not a step back"

I like extreme fog of war and all, but some things that are in CM now can be explained away as perfectly palusible. Like being able to distinguish the experience level. In al my games, I can only discover their experience if I am relatively close to the enemy troops, and if I have been engaged in a fire fight with them for several turns. Why am I able to do this you ask? Because while the game does not represent how the troops are fighting, shooting, ducking, running, and providing covering fire for each other, the internal game mechanics do. Thus, your troops who observe this will generally be able to see how well the enemy is doing things like I mentioned. A conscript wont know to duck back down when shooting at the enemy, while a Vet squad will coordinate their efforts when possible to confuse and catch the enemy off guard. I think it should be left the way it is as it relates to the experience. I do think, however, that we should not be able to see this if there is no Platoon/Company/Batallion commanders prescent. Troops are usually busy fighting and probably dont have the equipment or time necessary to radio the high command informing them of the exact enemy experience or numbers. Especially in CM2 on the Soviet side. Thats what platoon/whatever commanders are there for. Just my thoughts on the matter. Cheers! ------------------ "...Every position, every meter of Soviet soil must be defended to the last drop of blood..." - Segment from Order 227 "Not a step back" [This message has been edited by The Commissar (edited 03-25-2001).]

The way I do it is with half-squads and sharpshooters. Both of these mehtods are pretty realistic. Usually, depending on the forces you have, you should allocate anywhere from a platoon to a battallion to recon purposes. In my latest PBEM, I am using a whole Batallion of regulars coupled with sharpshooters to scout out a very large map. Try to get your men into every possible position you think your enemy might be hiding in. Also, if at all possible, try to cover your scouts. Scouts are usually going to be shot to pieces for the good of the others, but if done properly (something I havent as of yet been able to achieve) I suppose you can salvage most of them from total destruction. Hope that helps. Cheers! ------------------ "...Every position, every meter of Soviet soil must be defended to the last drop of blood..." - Segment from Order 227 "Not a step back"

It is ridiculous, but try to look at it from the teachers'/principal's point of view. Week 1: Little Johny draws a soldier with a gun on his HW. Teacher pats Little Johny on the head for his art skills. Week 2: Little Johny draws a soldier shooting someone with the gun. Teacher doesnt mind and nothing is done. Week 3: Little Johny brings in a semi-automatic and puts 18 holes into the local school bully, Big Mike. When police go through Johny's school work for clues, they discover the drawings. Questioning of the teacher about begins why she did not tell anyone about this "disturbing" behaviour. Blame shifts on the teacher, she is fired, her career is over, comes under public ridicule and scrutiny, ending with her living out the rest of her days in misery. Now, I know that 99% of kids dont do this. However, as the recent shooting spree has shown, some do. Better to be safe then sorry. Not that I like it. I recently got my Soldier of Fortune mag taken away from me and had a long chat with the dean about it. These shootings are like suicides. When one person, especially someone well known in a community commits suicide people who knew him might do so as well. This is proven by psychologists and sociologists. There's even a term for it I forget at the moment. The media has made these figures known, and kids do associate with them. Which leads to this awful trend which as of the moment shows no sign of stopping. I believe the latest shooting occured yesterday, although as far as I know no one was killed. Just my thoughts. ------------------ "...Every position, every meter of Soviet soil must be defended to the last drop of blood..." - Segment from Order 227 "Not a step back"

It is ridiculous, but try to look at it from the teachers'/principal's point of view. Week 1: Little Johny draws a soldier with a gun on his HW. Teacher pats Little Johny on the head for his art skills. Week 2: Little Johny draws a soldier shooting someone with the gun. Teacher doesnt mind and nothing is done. Week 3: Little Johny brings in a semi-automatic and puts 18 holes into the local school bully, Big Mike. When police go through Johny's school work for clues, they discover the drawings. Questioning of the teacher about begins why she did not tell anyone about this "disturbing" behaviour. Blame shifts on the teacher, she is fired, her career is over, comes under public ridicule and scrutiny, ending with her living out the rest of her days in misery. Now, I know that 99% of kids dont do this. However, as the recent shooting spree has shown, some do. Better to be safe then sorry. Not that I like it. I recently got my Soldier of Fortune mag taken away from me and had a long chat with the dean about it. These shootings are like suicides. When one person, especially someone well known in a community commits suicide people who knew him might do so as well. This is proven by psychologists and sociologists. There's even a term for it I forget at the moment. The media has made these figures known, and kids do associate with them. Which leads to this awful trend which as of the moment shows no sign of stopping. I believe the latest shooting occured yesterday, although as far as I know no one was killed. Just my thoughts. ------------------ "...Every position, every meter of Soviet soil must be defended to the last drop of blood..." - Segment from Order 227 "Not a step back"

Damn MikeT, that is one kick-ass page for a kick-ass TC! Thanks for all the efforts!

I think I'll play with overcast more then I usually do just to enjoy these skies!

Woooooooow....hot-dog, Tiger, thats the most beautiful sky texture I have ever seen! ------------------ "...Every position, every meter of Soviet soil must be defended to the last drop of blood..." - Segment from Order 227 "Not a step back"

Thanks Dr. Brian! My friend and I had a small disagreement, and now I have the information to back up my statements. Cheers and thanks once more! ------------------ "...Every position, every meter of Soviet soil must be defended to the last drop of blood..." - Segment from Order 227 "Not a step back"

Dr Brian, Since you seem to know much of Polish history, would you care to tell me the number of years and periods that Poland was under Russia's yoke? That is, partial or full control, if that ever happened. Thanks in advance. Cheers! ------------------ "...Every position, every meter of Soviet soil must be defended to the last drop of blood..." - Segment from Order 227 "Not a step back"

For once I'd like to bloody hear about someone who fought in a Soviet tank! Ive heard countless stories about Sherman/Churches/other Western Allied armor already. Can't a IS2 driver describe his experiences or something? ------------------ "...Every position, every meter of Soviet soil must be defended to the last drop of blood..." - Segment from Order 227 "Not a step back"

MikeT, Thanks for clearing that up. Still would like some representation of shooting fleeing conscripts though... Berli, I had no idea this happened. Care to site some examples? Im interested since the NKVD is famous for it's deeds while the SS is famous for murdering civilians. ------------------ "...Every position, every meter of Soviet soil must be defended to the last drop of blood..." - Segment from Order 227 "Not a step back"

Yes, I was mentioning it because a large part of the early war was over these wide open steppes (and of course later on, when the Soviets were pushing the Nazis back) and I figured fighting over them with little tank support (before the mass production of quality armor) would result in waves of men. Id imagine it would be hard to do a large wave attack in a city area!

If such a unit would be included, demand would rise for the infamous Soviet "vodka-dispatcher". You know, that guy in the platoon who always knows where exactly to get a stash of hard liquer for the boys? When successful, Soviet troops would no longer be affected by the German propoganda official and instead yell profanities like "Da poshel tai na hui! Ne vidish mae vaepivaem?" in his general direction. ------------------ "...Every position, every meter of Soviet soil must be defended to the last drop of blood..." - Segment from Order 227 "Not a step back"

Did anyone mention steppes yet? If you've ever seen one, they are big, flat, and almost completely open. If the enemy is on the other side of such a large field, and there isnt cover elsewhere, and you are commanded to attack...well, you get the picture. ------------------ "...Every position, every meter of Soviet soil must be defended to the last drop of blood..." - Segment from Order 227 "Not a step back"

Disregarding his rather strange messege, let us concentrate on the actual question which I would also like to see answered. Please dont concentrate on how he asked this question, but on what was asked. NKVD, commissars, and if I am not mistaken "political officers" were all infamous for shooting fleeing soldiers. So if some of those fleeing get shot down, the rest would usually stop running and face a death of a "coward" (in the USSR the definition of someone who would rather live) or a "hero" (the guy who doesnt know better then to charge a Nazi machine gun). Hey, if youre going to die anyway, why not take some of the enemy with you? This question STILL isnt answered, as far as I know, and I would like feedback from Steve, Charles, Kwazy, or Matt. EDIT: In responce to MikeT's mssg. If NKVD are beyond CM's scope, which units are not? Commissars? I would think they were relatively close to the action, while NKVD were farther behind the line. ------------------ "...Every position, every meter of Soviet soil must be defended to the last drop of blood..." - Segment from Order 227 "Not a step back" [This message has been edited by The Commissar (edited 03-20-2001).]

Large numbers of Stuarts were common. The Allies tended to mass-produce their tanks and the one of the main advantages they had over the Germans was sheer mass. I think most Cav units used Stuarts, if Im not mistaken. Plus regular Army. So they were very common. ------------------ "...Every position, every meter of Soviet soil must be defended to the last drop of blood..." - Segment from Order 227 "Not a step back"

I dont know much about these AT Rifles. How exactly does it knock out a tank? I assume the bullet goes through the armor, bounces about the insides and makes mashed potatos of everyone in the tank. Is this correct? This rifle would be nice, but would probably only be effective in the early years of the war and only for soft-skinned vehicles later on. More info would be highly appreciated. ------------------ "...Every position, every meter of Soviet soil must be defended to the last drop of blood..." - Segment from Order 227 "Not a step back"