James Crowley Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 Still getting poor unit selection in these, particularly 'mixed'. This produces, predominantly, vehicle or AT-gun based forces with just a few infantry. The ratios seem off. Happy to have the occasional AFV heavy force, as above, but more often than not should be getting mainly infantry with one or two vehicles or AT guns with one or two specialist units at most. In the most recent had two assault guns, an AC and a single HMG team in a HT. Also, still no overall force leader, usually two or three seperate platoons. This flies in the face of the engines' emhasis on C2. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jurpo Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 Still getting poor unit selection in these, particularly 'mixed'. This produces, predominantly, vehicle or AT-gun based forces with just a few infantry. The ratios seem off. Yep, same problem here. With the first series I enjoyed playing small battles (500-700 points) against the AI as practice and pastime, and part of that was "making do with what you're given" instead of picking the units myself. But the current automatic unit purchasing code seems to prefer odd mixes like four stugs thrown together with a mortar platoon all the time, and I find that annoying. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pagskier Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 I agree with this, I even choose my ennemy forces because otherwise it's always a pack with 2 or 3 mortars. It seems even worse for axis than americans 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
womble Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 I forgot they were supposed to have fixed this, so picked (well, ran through a couple of suggestions for til I got something that looked sane at first glance, deleted an FO cos they didn't have any Arty and replaced it with an HMG) Germans. But then it gave me a Medium map even though I asked for a Tiny one. Perhaps it's just that there aren't any tiny village maps. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambai Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 Happens in medium-sized battles as well. All tanks+artillery or all TD or all infantry with no tanks. Think I even saw the Ai having no artillery once. Also the maps sometimes are totally different from what you picked. Like a heavy mass-bocage in a huge map when I chose OPEN 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets_All_Fight Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 Have to agree. I've been pretty shocked with the automatically picked forces. I just pick both sides now but it does tend to take the element of surprise out of it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkEzra Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 ...But then it gave me a Medium map even though I asked for a Tiny one. Perhaps it's just that there aren't any tiny village maps. Actually you asked for a "tiny" battle, not a tiny map. Map sizes are Small-Medium-Large. A random choice map setting requires the QB AI to select a map that generally fits the battle size you requested. A smallish Medium map of say 825 X 800 is the same as a largish Small map size. The QB AI is just doing it's best to suit you needs. Come to think of it isn't that Kinda like picking out an anniversary present for another man's wife 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
womble Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 Actually you asked for a "tiny" battle, not a tiny map. Map sizes are Small-Medium-Large. This is certainly not true of my install. I have a selection box for battle size that offers Tiny-Small-Medium-Large-Huge-Random, that I expect to affect the points I have available, and I also have a selection box for map size that offers exactly the same options. I selected Tiny. With automatic map selection. I just went and checked. Why the devil is it offering me the option of a Tiny map if there's no such beastie? Now, having looked at the 'human selection' of maps for meeting engagements, the only 'huge' one is a download from the Repository and there aren't any Tiny, but it doesn't seem unreasonable for the selector to only go as many sizes up from the chosen option as it needs to find a valid map, and there are two small ME village maps which it has overlooked. Even better, if the game doesn't include the descriptor 'tiny' for any map, wheresoever designed why is it one of the options? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Crowley Posted August 4, 2011 Author Share Posted August 4, 2011 I just pick both sides now but it does tend to take the element of surprise out of it. Which destroys the all-important fog-of-war element and, IMO, ruins the whole basis of QBs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets_All_Fight Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 Which destroys the all-important fog-of-war element and, IMO, ruins the whole basis of QBs. Mostly, yeah. Mind you, I guess you still don't know exactly where they are. How many AI plans do most of the QB maps contain? Still, it does need some work, IMO. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Childress Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 I fired up a Small QB on Mixed the other day and ended up with a platoon of Marders, which constituted the bulk of my force. On an Open map. Wonky, yes, but also challenging. I had to dismount crews* to spot. *- The scout detachment for squads is a great addition to the game. How about, in future versions, something similar for AFVs? Like an option to send out the commander to reconnoiter, leaving the rest of them in the vehicle. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJFHutch Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 I just ran through a bunch of different suggestions on a tiny mixed force and they seemed fine to me. Sure, they seem to like armour and mortar teams but most of the time I did actually get a "mixed" force. I actually like the unpredictability of it, compare it with ToW for example, where you know almost exactly what units the enemy will pick because the guidelines are so strict. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew H. Posted August 6, 2011 Share Posted August 6, 2011 I had to dismount crews* to spot. This is actually realistic. It was very common for tanks in unfamiliar areas to stop on the reverse slope of a hill and the TC to dismount, crawl to the crest, and scope out the terrain with binoculars before bringing the tank up. Most recon was done in a similar manner, with the armored car hidden on a reverse slope and the dismounted crew conducting the actual recon out of the vehicle (usually quite concealed). Of course, you may have used your crews more aggressively than described above. But I do often wish you could dismount a one man vehicle scout. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Crowley Posted August 6, 2011 Author Share Posted August 6, 2011 I fired up a Small QB on Mixed the other day and ended up with a platoon of Marders, which constituted the bulk of my force. On an Open map. Wonky, yes, but also challenging. I had to dismount crews to spot. QUOTE] Getting that sort of mix sometimes is OK; trouble is it seems to be the norm. I would be expecting to get a random mix of, sometimes mainly infantry with a tank or two; sometimes infantry and tanks, half and half; somtimes more tanks and only some infantry. In my experience I am only getting the last one, pretty much everytime. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Childress Posted August 6, 2011 Share Posted August 6, 2011 Did a QB yesterday- Small- the defending Germs got six AT guns. Thought this was fixed. Also, what's with the rocket batteries? I'm seeing these every other game and rarity is on Normal. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cymru Posted August 6, 2011 Share Posted August 6, 2011 I fired up a Small QB on Mixed the other day and ended up with a platoon of Marders, which constituted the bulk of my force. On an Open map. Wonky, yes, but also challenging. I had to dismount crews* to spot. A couple of weeks go I mentioned three QBs Ii got in succession, with the following mixes 1; no troops at all, only foxholes 2: 20 PSWs 3 16 Marders 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpabrams Posted August 6, 2011 Share Posted August 6, 2011 Actually I just tried a tiny US assault and the AI "suggestion" is a mix of armor,an FO and mortars. I believe the AI tries for the most bang for your buck. This mix is of course flawed for an assault as there are no grunts. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Harrison Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 Just wanted to confirm the original posters observation: I too am still seeing the majority of my 'Tiny' and 'Small' AI selections on mix being nearly all AT/INF guns with a few other things. Especially on 'Tiny' - post patch, I have yet to see anything but all AT gun forces. Hope this helps. Chad 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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