Holman Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 I just saw my 50mm AT gun lob off a low-velocity shell with a big explosive punch. When I ran the turn back, I realized that it had one 150mm HEAT round among its ammo, and this is what it had just fired. I have never heard of such a thing. Was this some kind of giant shell fitted rifle-grenade-style to the muzzle of the gun, or was it a bug? The team was not listed as having a panzerfaust of any sort, and anyway those aren't 150mm, are they? If you want to see this, open "Buying the Farm" as Germans and look at the AT gun ammo. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 It is the Stielgranate 42 for PaK 38. According to Hogg's German Artillery of World War Two: 5cm Stielgranate 42: fuzed AZ 5075, projectile weight 8.20kg (18.08lb) This was another hollow-charge stick bomb, similar to that developed for the 3.7cm gun. In the 5cm version the tail unit was the same diameter as the head in order to leave sufficient space around the muzzle stick for the tail to pass over the gun's muzzle brake. The warhead contained 2.33kg (5.14lb) of cyclonite/TNT and the special cartridge carried a charge of 770g of Mgl R P. It was capable of penetrating 180mm of plate and the recommended maximum engagement range was 150m. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YankeeDog Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Yep. Steilgranate 41. Very similar to an oversized rifle-grenade. Powerful, but very inaccurate at anything other than short range. Until CMBN came out, I actually was not aware that the Germans fielded Steilgranate rounds for the 50mm PaK (I only knew of its use in the 37mm PaK). But I'll take their word for it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Until CMBN came out, I actually was not aware that the Germans fielded Steilgranate rounds for the 50mm PaK (I only knew of its use in the 37mm PaK). Same here. Hearing about it for the first time in this thread. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaws Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Here it is:) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoolaman Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Gosh I'm way too slow 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holman Posted May 26, 2011 Author Share Posted May 26, 2011 Thanks for the replies, everyone. I'm glad it's not a bug. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Here it is:) That's the 37 mm variety. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Yep. Steilgranate 41. Actually Stiel and 42. There was a lot of debate about their inclusion, but there seemed to be documents supporting its existence and production up to 1944. Zu Stielgranaten gibt es zwei bebilderte Artikel in der Waffen-Revue Nr. 15 und 111. Stielgranaten gab es für folgende Waffen oder wurden dafür Entwickeld: 2 cm-Panzerbüchse S-18, 2,5cm-Pak(f) 3,7cm-Pak 3,7cm-Pak(t) 3,7cm-Flak 3,7cm-Pak Bofors(36p) 4,7cm Pak 181(f) 4,7cm-Pak 37(t) 4,7cm Pak Breda 4,7cm Pak Böhler 5cm-Pak38 15cm-SIG33 (Spreng und Hl) Bei der 3,7 cm Stielgranate 41 für die 3,7cm Pak. Taktischer Einsatz. Die Stielgranate dient zum Bekämpfen sämtlicher auch schwerster Panzerkampfwagen (Wer´s Glaubt auf nächster Entfernung. Günstige Trefferaussichten bestehen unterhalb von 130 m, in Ausnahmefällen können stehende Ziele schon auf eine Entfernung von 250 m beschossen werden. Lebende Ziele und Hindernisse können bis auf eine Kampfentfernung von 700 m beschossen werden. Abnahmezahlen in Tausend: Jan.42: 0 Feb42: 3 März42: 7 Apr:42: 8 Mai42: 36 Jun42:79 Jul42: 80 Aug42: 115,2 Sept42: 140,4 Okt 42:94,2 Nov42:61 Dez42: 36,2 Jän43: 15,1 August 43: 20 Die im Augustgefertigten dürften aus dem Zusammenbau aus vorhanden Einzelteilen resultieren. Bei der 5 cm Stielgranate für 5cm-Pak38: Da die Durchschlagsleistung besser war als bei der 3,7cm wurde diese in das Fertigungsprogramm Übernommen. Abnahmezahlen in Tausend: Feb.43: 0 März43: 12 Apr43:18 Mai43:25 Jun:43:30 Jul43: 35 Auf43:18,5 Sep43: 18,8 Okt43:16,1 Nov43: 10 Dez:43: 0 Jän44: 97 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaws Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 That's the 37 mm variety. Michael Ok you got me 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 According to one Hungarian military history site, this is what the shell looked like. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YankeeDog Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Actually Stiel and 42. There was a lot of debate about their inclusion, but there seemed to be documents supporting its existence and production up to 1944. Er... apologies for the error on the name. So, AIUI 41 model was for the 37mm PaK, and the 42 model for the 50mm Pak? Anyone know offhand if there were any differences in the warhead, or was the 42 purely an adaptation of the 41 to fit the 50mm barrel? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BulletRat Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 If you've seen Band of Brothers (and who here hasn't), Carwood Lipton gets hit by one of these in the episode "Carentan" IIRC. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LemoN Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Ok you got me That's the 3,7cm AGAIN. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Er... apologies for the error on the name. So, AIUI 41 model was for the 37mm PaK, and the 42 model for the 50mm Pak? Correct. Also, there is another Stielgranate 42 which is for the 150mm sIG-33. But it's a much bigger shell and is meant for bunker demolition, not anti-tank. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaws Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 That's the 3,7cm AGAIN. OMG (the Stielgranate just flew away ) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LemoN Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 (the Stielgranate just flew away ) Suuuure. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny(FGM) Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 If you've seen Band of Brothers (and who here hasn't), Carwood Lipton gets hit by one of these in the episode "Carentan" IIRC. And here was me thinking all this time that was a puppchen but you are indeed correct http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuyXT-FCq1k around 6:20 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadiemullet Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_6G_mrh-cU Watch from the beginning and don't forget to keep your eyes peeled for the ubiquitous piano in the street (the stielgranate bit is around the 06:18 mark) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadiemullet Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 And here was me thinking all this time that was a puppchen but you are indeed correct http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuyXT-FCq1k around 6:20 Fancy seeing you here jonny boy 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Here's a Stielgranate for Pak 38 used in Normandy: I'm pretty sure that's the one. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt Joch Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 And here was me thinking all this time that was a puppchen but you are indeed correct http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuyXT-FCq1k around 6:20 Hey, that has a platoon charging across an open field at two HMGs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 It is really odd how we've got documents referencing the round but no shots of the real deal have turned up. Perhaps because the round didn't look sufficiently 'cool' (propaganda value), it just looked idiotic. Like shoving a piece of stovepipe onto the front end of your cannon. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krilly Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 http://www.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?771ff44b17.jpg On the far right? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McMortison Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 15cm Model 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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