dieseltaylor Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 What not to do or how to screw your company: http://www.edn.com/blog/1690000169/post/1830049583.html?nid=3351&rid=7231091 The readers commments are illuminating also. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 Wow! This comes as no surprise as it is a trend that I have been aware of for two or three decades, even from afar. It's good to see the news finally getting out there though. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smershbloke Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 Ha, My firm has just gone through exactly the same process with Chinese Sub-contrators! We had to re-build/desgin/test everything they did. We were building a Brewery from scratch. It's currently moth-balled somewhere in Ukraine. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Other Means Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 I've just been through a massive project in work. Our company used to belong to a giant bank but has recently go through a management buy out. We had 5 weeks to establish our own IT infrastructure. My boss and the head of technology came from a project management background and wanted to plan everything out with timings and everything. I wanted to list what needed to be done and just get on with it. The result? They were sacked, I started doing both their jobs and the project came in on time. AFAIC most project management does nothing but dilute effort. You either plan for every eventuality which means the plan is too big to be of any use and is fragile to any time slip etc or it's not down to any kind of level to be useful. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 Two or three decades back the business world fell in love with the MBA degree. The MBA was supposed to unlock all the secrets of the universe. At least if you had one, you were expected to know everything important about how to run an organization. This attitude always perplexed me. To me, it seemed that the MBA was nearly the least useful degree in the entire curriculum. Anyway, in my experience I never came across anything so overblown. No doubt some holders of the degree actually are pretty good at what they do, but I suspect that they would be even without the degree. They tend to be pretty sharp, have their eyes and minds open and aren't afraid to listen to their subordinates. You can get some actually useful experience that way. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stalins Organ Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 It's a bit of a rose-tinted comparison with the 747 development - it kind of neglects to mention that not only did Boeing bet the whole shop on the 747 but they bloody nearly lost it too - the first aircraft were months late into service, engine and flight characteristic problems had to be fixed, bankers had to roll over on loans, etc. there's not really a lot of difference now regardless of how people feel about it - ambitious aircraft design has always been like that, and Boeing have done well to get through it - unlike, say, the whole British large aircraft industry from the Brabazon onwards...... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwolf Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 It's not that Airbus is doing any better. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmar Bijlsma Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 Well, there was a lot of gloating about Airbus' troubles with the A380 at the time, particularly from our Trans-Atlantic Friends. All I can say is I'm happy there were two bananas peels and Boeing seems to have happily obliged. And I agree with the general tenor that managers managing often do not add value of their own and can frequently get in the way of those who do. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwolf Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 No, the things just get more and more complex, which leads to an exponential increase in trouble (variances in desired and actual outcome in one component expand against each other). As long as the things get debugged to the point of none falling down that's all fine. Of course Americans and Europeans should be better at this than other countries, otherwise we can forget about our lifestyle. But other countries don't even try to make airplanes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stalins Organ Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 Ahem...... Brazil Japan and this one too PRC Canada (3rd largest airliner producer in the world in terms of numbers....) India - just starting out Indonesia - an almost ran cancelled because of the 1997 financial crisis 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Affentitten Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 Still, 787 is pretty swift in develpoment compared to the F-22. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwolf Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 Ahem...... Brazil Japan and this one too PRC Canada (3rd largest airliner producer in the world in terms of numbers....) India - just starting out Indonesia - an almost ran cancelled because of the 1997 financial crisis I talked about planes of very high complexity. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stalins Organ Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 Any 100 seat airliner is complex - they have pretty much all the systems that a 747 has and are massive undertakings. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwolf Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 Yeah but the newest large planes are an order of magnitude more complex, not to mention largely uncharted territory. It's one thing to build the 14th 100-seater. It's another to build the first 853 passenger plane. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stalins Organ Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 so what? that's like saying the 787 isn't complex because the Space Station is an order of magnitude more complex. We get blase about such things because all we have to do is turn up & expect to have safe, fast & cheap air travel - without having to think about the massive amount of work that goes into every airliner, regardless of size. Building large passenger aircraft (and 100 seaters _are_ large passenger aircraft!) is a horrendously complex business, especially for a country that has never done it before. Sure they get partnerships with Boeing or (formerly) Lockheed, or whoever - but that's not hubris - that is necessity, and also commercially driven on the part of hte partners, and technology transfer is tightly controlled and paid for. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanonier Reichmann Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 I thought I would resurrect this old thread now that Boeing is in the headliners again for all the wrong reasons due to problems with their Dreamliner. Refer to this thread... http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-01-25/dreamliner-investigators-seriously-concerned-by--findings/4483934 Regards KR 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomm Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 Do not forget Austria. Small, but beautiful. Best regards, Thomm 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dieseltaylor Posted January 25, 2013 Author Share Posted January 25, 2013 I wish I had excerpted from the link in 2009! I vaguely remember it as being uncomplimentary of Boeing ... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlowMotion Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 The 2009 link (of the opening post) is working fine. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dieseltaylor Posted January 25, 2013 Author Share Posted January 25, 2013 Thanks for letting me know .... their clunky way of getting me to update my user profile after 4 years! I cannot see any of the original interesting comments but is that due to my disabling Javascript or is it not-archived? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dieseltaylor Posted January 25, 2013 Author Share Posted January 25, 2013 Re EDN Because I turn of not only Javascript but all adds and addons at visited sites I sometimes have problems. I have found the one to turn on "jquery" to allow me to see the comments. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wicky Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 Why turn off javascript? Are you somehow confusing it with Java: http://www.java.com/en/download/faq/java_javascript.xml http://www.bbc.co.uk/webwise/guides/java-and-javascript 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Other Means Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 I reckon all this is due to The Dumbest Idea In The World: Maximizing Shareholder Value 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dieseltaylor Posted January 25, 2013 Author Share Posted January 25, 2013 True. And embarrassing I should not have been clearer considering http://www.battlefront.com/community/showthread.php?t=108135 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dieseltaylor Posted January 25, 2013 Author Share Posted January 25, 2013 OM Thanks for the link - good article. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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