Stalins Organ Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 Local stored anti-tank mines in his house After all these years.....interrogation without much in the way of limits....is this the outcome of the "war on terror"? do people really think that charges like this are helping anything? Restoring justice anywhere? Or worthwhile in any other way? It's pretty damned sad that this is all the might of "the West" can come up with - charging some unlucky Afghani (how many others had 20 mines or similar and DIDN'T get caught?) with something that might give him a life sentence essentially because he lived in a war zone!!:mad: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiny_tanker Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 Not to justify the charge but anti tank mines where the big threat before IED's in afghanland. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stalins Organ Posted September 11, 2008 Author Share Posted September 11, 2008 Yeah I've got no trouble with the concept that he was holding weapons.......but FFS - it was a damned war and it's not like anti-tank mines are an unusual weapon....!!!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GJK Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 We live in a war-zone so all are entitled to stock up on anti-tank mines? I don't understand the rationale. And no, I haven't even bothered to read the story yet....correction, just read the story and I say good for "the West", if that spares one soldiers life or limb, then we did our job. Come on, he had 20 freakin' mines in his house. Where's the human rights activists that go around cleaning up mines from old wars in this case? Instead they want to defend this terrorist that is stocking up on them with written intent on their use against coalition forces? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Affentitten Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 We live in a war-zone so all are entitled to stock up on anti-tank mines? I don't understand the rationale. And no, I haven't even bothered to read the story yet....correction, just read the story and I say good for "the West", if that spares one soldiers life or limb, then we did our job. Come on, he had 20 freakin' mines in his house. Where's the human rights activists that go around cleaning up mines from old wars in this case? Instead they want to defend this terrorist that is stocking up on them with written intent on their use against coalition forces? I think the 'objection' here is that it has been turned into a criminal charge after years of detention and potentially could get him life imprisonment. Nobody is denying that he was an enemy. But we didn't charge every Volksturm drone with war crimes for piling Panzerfausts by the front door. Given the scale of the WoT, the rhetoric and the big ideals behind it, banging some Afghan peasant up like this seems a little below proportion. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
costard Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 If I were the arresting officer, I'd be quite happy that the 20 mines weren't under the road somewhere. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmar Bijlsma Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 Well, the laptop with bomb instructions is pretty suspicious, don't really buy his explanation. But a terrorism charge seems a bit too far fetched purely on that. Treating the guy as you would your average enemy combatant seems to be more reasonable. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Affentitten Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 Well, the laptop with bomb instructions is pretty suspicious, don't really buy his explanation. But a terrorism charge seems a bit too far fetched purely on that. Treating the guy as you would your average enemy combatant seems to be more reasonable. I think that's the way most of us see it. Especially given the appalingly lengthy time and expenditure that has been involved in this tub thumping. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easy-v Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 I'm curious as to how the posters that are shocked would have handled this man, and what they would have done to prevent recidivism (or if he was a taliban/al qaeda, a return to arms). Compare and contrast: What would have his fate been if this man had been in N. Ireland and IRA? What would have his fate been if a Palestinian, in Isreal? I imagine he probably will get off with a few years time at most. Where's the horror in that? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gautrek Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 Compare and contrast: What would have his fate been if this man had been in N. Ireland and IRA? If he was an IRA guy we would have locked him up for a few years and then B.Liar would have released him when he released all the other murdering bastards due to the Good Friday agreement. You know the one where the IRA did F*** all and B.liar caved in and surrendered to them. Oh yes tough on terror that Twat was. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoFarmer Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 Oh yes tough on terror that Twat was. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stalins Organ Posted September 11, 2008 Author Share Posted September 11, 2008 I think that's the way most of us see it. Especially given the appalingly lengthy time and expenditure that has been involved in this tub thumping. Yep - that's a better ay of putting it than I did. What should he be charged with? A crime if he committed one. the Geneva convention deals with civilians having weapons in a war/conflict zone AFAIK. the whole thing stinks - Afghanis fighting in their own country against an invader are given a brand new status that is invented to specifically deny them internationally agreed rights? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abbott Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 They caught a guy with explosives and enough training to use them. I am glad they got him. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAI Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 They caught a guy with explosives and enough training to use them. I am glad they got him. So he's a POW. Treat him like one. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAI Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 We live in a war-zone so all are entitled to stock up on anti-tank mines? I don't understand the rationale. And no, I haven't even bothered to read the story yet....correction, just read the story and I say good for "the West", if that spares one soldiers life or limb, then we did our job. Come on, he had 20 freakin' mines in his house. Where's the human rights activists that go around cleaning up mines from old wars in this case? Instead they want to defend this terrorist that is stocking up on them with written intent on their use against coalition forces? Since time immemorial, this is the first time that I can remember that an enemy combatant is charged with war crimes because he was captured while in possesion of weapons. *Okay, I may be exaggerating. Perhaps over the millenia some looney warlord could have come up with a similarly absurd charges* I wonder how many war criminals were there in ACW? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilhammer Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 "So he's a POW. Treat him like one." Yep. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subvet Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 If he's a POW then wouldn't the U.S. keep him in a POW camp until the war is over? The "war on terror" may never have an end. That means he gets a life sentence at Guantanamo (or some other POW camp)??? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stalins Organ Posted September 15, 2008 Author Share Posted September 15, 2008 Yep - but he'd be allowed to socialise with other visitors, the Red Crescent would be allowed to visit him, he could get mail & parcels & the US wouldn't get half the carp it does now!! I have no probelm detaining combatants.....just the bull that's being handed out in this particular war! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAI Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Yep - but he'd be allowed to socialise with other visitors, the Red Crescent would be allowed to visit him, he could get mail & parcels & the US wouldn't get half the carp it does now!! I have no probelm detaining combatants.....just the bull that's being handed out in this particular war! And for sure, he would not be charged with war crimes simply for having weapons on him. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stalins Organ Posted October 22, 2008 Author Share Posted October 22, 2008 All charges dropped against 5 more detainees.....that's 6 out of 24 that have been charged that have had all charges dropped without going to trial. Charges against 1 have been upheld - "providing material support for terrorism" of course, and "spying on US forces in his homeland"........pathetic Guantanamo continues to be a carbuncle on the posterior of the moral high ground! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gautrek Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 All charges dropped against 5 more detainees.....that's 6 out of 24 that have been charged that have had all charges dropped without going to trial. Charges against 1 have been upheld - "providing material support for terrorism" of course, and "spying on US forces in his homeland"........pathetic Guantanamo continues to be a carbuncle on the posterior of the moral high ground! Yes but look on the bright side. At least America isn't using something like Internment like we did in NI a few years ago. Oh no wait a minute.:confused: And wasn't America one of the main opponents to the use of Internment? Funny how the world goes round in circles isn't it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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