Cid250 Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 Originally posted by Micheal Wittman: As far as large pbem files, what's the beef as gmail gives 20mgs file size incoming and outgoing. But we all know that or maybe I'm missing something? E-mail size is not a problem... since Internet improves each year very fast... and 20Mb attachments or even 100Mb attachments are frequent for me. The lack of WEGO over TCP/IP for those of us with really fast speeds, is a big fault. And my main complaint isn't about graphics or performance... my main complaint is about the design of the game that ignores WEGO completely... since we now have loosed the cool blue bar that uses 100% of the CPU the enough amount of time to make a great TAC-AI... that blue bar is now replaced by a pure realtime representation, loading the CPU with the same stupid graphical load than in pure real time play... Realtime sucks... our WEGO is only a realtime-autopause... but this game has lost any benefit of a really true WEGO design. Seriously... this new game, is a much worse design for true wargaming. And the Real Time market is over saturated with much cooler products that appeal much more to the realtime players. The time will speak by itself. Mark my words... [ July 31, 2007, 05:03 AM: Message edited by: Cid250 ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Ruddy Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 Originally posted by Cid250: <font color = blue>Mark my words... </font>Consider them marked... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackmuzzle Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 Hmm... I for one do enjoy the realtime mode. I find it sufficiently different from all the other RTS games out there. That is not to say that WeGo should not be possible via TCP of course. However, that would be cool to have as another way of playing, not instead of RT. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pak40 Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 Originally posted by Cid250: The lack of WEGO over TCP/IP for those of us with really fast speeds, is a big fault. And my main complaint isn't about graphics or performance... my main complaint is about the design of the game that ignores WEGO completely... since we now have loosed the cool blue bar that uses 100% of the CPU the enough amount of time to make a great TAC-AI... that blue bar is now replaced by a pure realtime representation, loading the CPU with the same stupid graphical load than in pure real time play... Realtime sucks... our WEGO is only a realtime-autopause... but this game has lost any benefit of a really true WEGO design. [/QB]Let me see if I get this straight. You're saying that since CMSF is real time, that it doesn't have the CPU power to handle a good Tac-AI like the CMx1 games had? If that's what you're saying then I think you you're way off base. It only took a few seconds at most for the TacAI to compute in the CMx1 engine. It took a minute or more for the turn outcome to be computed, maybe that's what your thinking of. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVulture Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 Originally posted by Pak40: Let me see if I get this straight. You're saying that since CMSF is real time, that it doesn't have the CPU power to handle a good Tac-AI like the CMx1 games had? If that's what you're saying then I think you you're way off base. It only took a few seconds at most for the TacAI to compute in the CMx1 engine. It took a minute or more for the turn outcome to be computed, maybe that's what your thinking of. The point being made is that the old CMx1 system did the TacAI and turn resolution in one run, taking as much time as it needed, and then did the graphics at a seperate time when it needed to do no other calculations. The CM:SF system has the CPU doing the tacAI, turn resolution and graphics processing all at the same time. Since a certain amount of processor time is required for graphics, there is a fixed number of CPU cycles to spend on tacAI and turn resolution. (Where before it took as long as it took). Presumably BF wouldn't have gone down this route if they felt that it was going to cramp the AI too much with not having enough CPU time: rather I suspect they figured there was more than enough CPU time to do the tacAI and turn resolution in real time, and leftover processing would be put to use on the graphics. Or some such thing. I assume the thinking of Cid250 is that if we went back to precomputed turns we could gain the ability to do much more computationally intensive indepth AI planning which would take considerably more than 1 minute to crunch. Whether this is true or not I have no idea - it isn't always the case that throwing more CPU cycles at a problem gives you better results - it may just given you somewhat different pathalogical behaviour... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSX Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 Originally posted by Battlefront.com: We have a multi-page thread complaining about the file size of PBEM turns. Yet we were told, by the PBEM fans, to include it no matter how big the file size was. That was the product of one of the most long, drawn out, emotional, vicious, ridiculous events on this Forum in its nearly 10 year history. Yet no PBEM guy has yet mention that the extra file swap is gone. Hmmmmmmmm.... me thinks you guys are a glass half empty crowd Steve Why are BF blaming the customer for an obviously shoddy and unready game? This forum always amazes me, and no doubt will continue to. I'm sorry i'm not bowing down and blindly buying your game, but thats your fault, not mine. Amazing...... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pad152 Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 E-mail size is not a problem!!! A lot of ISP's limit email size to 10MB ??? MSN Earthlink NetZero Some sort of fileshare is needed for files larger then 10 MB. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taki Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 I will use ICQ for it i guess. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pak40 Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 Originally posted by TheVulture: The point being made is that the old CMx1 system did the TacAI and turn resolution in one run, taking as much time as it needed, and then did the graphics at a seperate time when it needed to do no other calculations.Yes, but my point is that the old CMx1 system took only a few seconds for it's TacAI resolution and these were done on older machines. IE, not much computing power was needed for TacAI. Originally posted by TheVulture: The CM:SF system has the CPU doing the tacAI, turn resolution and graphics processing all at the same time. Since a certain amount of processor time is required for graphics, there is a fixed number of CPU cycles to spend on tacAI and turn resolution. (Where before it took as long as it took).I have to disagree. The GPU does most of the graphics processing just like it did in CMx1. Therefore the CPU is only doing the TacAI at the same time as the turn resolution which is just a small load in addition to what it did in CMx1. Obviously they two are able to coexist without slowing down the machine. My two year old laptop has no problem cranking out the turns in the demo. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mazex Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 Originally posted by Battlefront.com: We have a multi-page thread complaining about the file size of PBEM turns. Yet we were told, by the PBEM fans, to include it no matter how big the file size was. That was the product of one of the most long, drawn out, emotional, vicious, ridiculous events on this Forum in its nearly 10 year history. Yet no PBEM guy has yet mention that the extra file swap is gone. Hmmmmmmmm.... me thinks you guys are a glass half empty crowd Steve Well, if you are finally getting that brand new Ferrari and notices that the V8 engine is only running on 3 cylinders, you don't send a polite mail to Maranello praising the new rear view mirrors? I'm confident that a number of patches will get all cylinders running as the otherwise spectacular car deserves it. To bad it's yellow too as real Ferraris are red. At the other hand, we'll get the red one in the second game of the series. Let's hope it gets a V12 too... /Mazex 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottie Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 Originally posted by Battlefront.com: We have a multi-page thread complaining about the file size of PBEM turns. Yet we were told, by the PBEM fans, to include it no matter how big the file size was. That was the product of one of the most long, drawn out, emotional, vicious, ridiculous events on this Forum in its nearly 10 year history. Yet no PBEM guy has yet mention that the extra file swap is gone. Hmmmmmmmm.... me thinks you guys are a glass half empty crowd Steve brilliant post, get it off your chest mate ... must be annoying personnaly i think it great that BF post as from a customer point of view: 1. its great to be listen too re feedback 2. its great to hear the justification / train of thought for certain mods. All to often end users just assume developers are a bunch of clowns that dont understand the consumers needs. You guys have proved time and time again with the CM series that you move in the correct direction. Oustanding games. Scott. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rik81 Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 Originally posted by Steiner14: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Battlefront.com: We have a multi-page thread complaining about the file size of PBEM turns. Yet we were told, by the PBEM fans, to include it no matter how big the file size was. That was the product of one of the most long, drawn out, emotional, vicious, ridiculous events on this Forum in its nearly 10 year history. Yet no PBEM guy has yet mention that the extra file swap is gone.I was wondering, too. But then i discovered, the PBEM players are still waiting to finish downloading their first turn... </font> 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seel38 Posted August 7, 2007 Share Posted August 7, 2007 I may be whining and I am certinaly not buying! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renaud Posted August 7, 2007 Share Posted August 7, 2007 I always hated PBEM. ps: if you didn't buy it, what the hell do you have to whine about? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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