Amedeo Posted February 25, 2007 Share Posted February 25, 2007 Am I wrong or, with some visual modding, the Red vs. Red feature of CMSF will allow to simulate some of the Soviet-Afghan war clashes? The BTR & BMP supported regular troops toting AK-74s and other "modern" (for the '80s) stuff are there, as well as the AKM & RPG-7 armed militia. If the editor is able to handle reasonably "rough" terrain I think the conversion is just there... Comments? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Dorosh Posted February 25, 2007 Share Posted February 25, 2007 Interesting point. I was afraid this was going to be another lame thread for lobbying pet wars, glad I was wrong. Quite a creative idea. Now, why anyone would want to simulate that conflict is another story... Sounds like it would be largely possible for those that did. Probably work out more convincingly than DFDR in the CMBO days. I am wondering if we can use it to recreate the invasion of Grenada, and some of the battle scenes from the film HEARTBREAK RIDGE... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panzermartin Posted February 25, 2007 Share Posted February 25, 2007 No Hinds for the Reds though 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSgt Viljuri Posted February 25, 2007 Share Posted February 25, 2007 No Rambo for the insurgents either 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
37mm Posted February 25, 2007 Share Posted February 25, 2007 As I think I've discussed with others before, thanks to the red-on-red option we'll likely be able to make scenarios for the Iran-Iraq war, Ethiopia versus Eritrea or the Chinese invasion of Vietnam... Hans is going to go nuts 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpl Steiner Posted February 25, 2007 Share Posted February 25, 2007 If someone could re-do the voice acting for various nationalities that would be a cool mod. I wonder what the Chinese is for "My leg!". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted February 25, 2007 Share Posted February 25, 2007 "my wang" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Drago Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 There was a website and/or book with a whole bunch of Soviet missions in Afhgan, some successful and others totally FUBAR - the point is there were a lot of scenarios mentioned. They were all around company-size too, so probably would make for perfect battles. Except for the lack of helicopters 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Dorosh Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 Originally posted by Ivan Drago: There was a website and/or book with a whole bunch of Soviet missions in Afhgan, some successful and others totally FUBAR - the point is there were a lot of scenarios mentioned. They were all around company-size too, so probably would make for perfect battles. Except for the lack of helicopters That's kind of what drove my comment above, the idea of lack of sources. I am happily corrected - but do the website/book actually detail enemy forces, or just the friendly side stuff? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjhouston Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 Originally posted by Ivan Drago: There was a website and/or book with a whole bunch of Soviet missions in Afhgan, some successful and others totally FUBAR - the point is there were a lot of scenarios mentioned. They were all around company-size too, so probably would make for perfect battles. Except for the lack of helicopters Grau's The Bear Went Over the Mountain http://www.ndu.edu/inss/books/Books%20-%201996/Bear%20Went%20Over%20Mountain%20-%20Aug%2096/BrOrMn.pdf Although, not to my knowledge, available in *.pdf format, Afghan Guerrilla Warfare: In the Words of the Mujahideen Fighters should be easily acquired and is the companion to the above. http://www.amazon.com/Afghan-Guerilla-Warfare-Ahmad-Jalali/dp/190257947X/sr=8-3/qid=1172460827/ref=pd_bbs_sr_3/103-1830287-5103026?ie=UTF8&s=books [ February 25, 2007, 07:35 PM: Message edited by: jjhouston ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aka_tom_w Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 thanks jj amazon.com reviews This is, by far, the most thorough treatment in english on the Soviet-Afghan war. The Soviet attempts at a heavy-handed approach to counter-insurgency only backfires in the end. A lesson few seem to understand. This brilliant work describes how the Afghan guerrilla tactics evolved with each new Soviet attempt to thwart them. The brutality on both sides is beyond comprehension and reminds us how evil is war. The Bear Went over the Mountain, July 14, 2004 To capture the lessons their tactical leaders learned in Afghanistan & to explain the change in tactics that followed, the Frunze Military Academy in Russia compiled this book for their command & general staff combat arms officers. The lessons are valuable not just for Russian officers, but for the tactical training of platoon, company & battalion leaders of any nation likely to engage in conflicts involving civil war, guerrilla forces & rough terrain. This is a book dealing with the starkest features of the unforgiving landscape of tactical combat: casualties & death, adaptation, & survival. Provides an intimate look at the boring but brutal business of counterinsurgency. Maps. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Drago Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 Yep, bear went over the mountain is what I was originally thinking of. Thanks for the link! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedy Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 Thanks for the great link, work printer is working overtime. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpl Steiner Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 Given the small-scale nature of CM:SF compared to current CM incarnations, and the emphasis on Urban Operations, I think the Lebanese Civil War would be a more suitable subject for CM:SF. I am hoping that some of the Uncons will be typical guerilla fighters like those that have fought in Lebanon for decades. You know the sort of thing, head-scarf covering most of head but for a slit for the eyes, jeans, trainers, t-shirt, combat harness with ammo pouches etc. Wish I could find a photo on the web to show what I mean. As the Syrians were actually in Lebanon for a long time, they might be able to participate in some scenarios as themselves. My history is a little vague though - did Syria actually fire any shots in anger in the Lebanes Civil War or were they largely onlookers? [ February 27, 2007, 04:46 AM: Message edited by: Cpl Steiner ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Dorosh Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 Originally posted by Cpl Steiner: Given the small-scale nature of CM:SF compared to current CM incarnations, and the emphasis on Urban Operations, I think the Lebanese Civil War would be a more suitable subject for CM:SF. I am hoping that some of the Uncons will be typical guerilla fighters like those that have fought in Lebanon for decades. You know the sort of thing, head-scarf covering most of head but for a slit for the eyes, jeans, trainers, t-shirt, combat harness with ammo pouches etc. Wish I could find a photo on the web to show what I mean. As the Syrians were actually in Lebanon for a long time, they might be able to participate in some scenarios as themselves. My history is a little vague though - did Syria actually fire any shots in anger in the Lebanes Civil War or were they largely onlookers? IS there an emphasis on urban ops? Is that something you've read, or are you basing that on the handful of screenshots we've seen? I ask because what you've described could apply equally to simulating Native uprisings in Canada, ala the Oka Crisis. Heavily armed Mohawk "warriors" using whatever automatic weapons they can get their hands on. I want to see the OPP cruiser mod... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bboyle Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 Would a Grozny scenario be possible? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chanss Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 Just saw a cool Russian movie "9th legion". It was about para units fighting in afghanistan. It is suposed to be based on true story where a company was left and forgotten behind at a desolate plateu to face hordes of afghans charging them. I liked it. Would be a cool scenario. Although the pair of hinds saving the last few survivors at the end would have to be left out then.....theirs no hinds in this game? No Hinds, thats uncool. A hind is the very incarnation of deadly machinery, like the us m-10 warthog. [ February 28, 2007, 02:54 PM: Message edited by: chanss ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mazex Posted March 3, 2007 Share Posted March 3, 2007 Great proposal - and that "The Bear Went Over the Mountain" is one of the best documents for CM-size scenario design that I've seen... I also agree that the Hind would be nice to have (and Syria is supposed to have 90 of them). It's simply the meanest looking piece of military machinery ever assembled (the He-111 is a contender - mainly as a symbol for nazi bombers though). I guess helos will be rather hard to implement well on a CM sized map though... /Mazex 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londoner Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 One Hind even shot down an Iranian McDonnell Douglas F-4D Phantom jet fighter on 26 October 1982 Oh my god. [ March 07, 2007, 04:05 PM: Message edited by: Londoner ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan8325 Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 Originally posted by chanss: Just saw a cool Russian movie "9th legion". It was about para units fighting in afghanistan. It is suposed to be based on true story where a company was left and forgotten behind at a desolate plateu to face hordes of afghans charging them. I liked it. Would be a cool scenario. Although the pair of hinds saving the last few survivors at the end would have to be left out then.....theirs no hinds in this game? No Hinds, thats uncool. A hind is the very incarnation of deadly machinery, like the us m-10 warthog. As I understand, there are no aircraft actually modeled in the game. The U.S. side will get air support in the form of requested airstrikes, but the aircraft will be "off map" like the 155 artillery. Could someone verify that this is correct? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Zoidberg Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 Originally posted by Alan8325: As I understand, there are no aircraft actually modeled in the game. The U.S. side will get air support in the form of requested airstrikes, but the aircraft will be "off map" like the 155 artillery. Could someone verify that this is correct? That's how I understand it to be. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chanss Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 Hind or no Hind, I will buy it anyway. With some luck there will be assault donkeys for the Afghan gerillas. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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