molotov_billy Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 Anyone making red on red scenarios? I'd like to see what MOUT is like without all the fancy US gizmos and uber armor. I'd like to see a Grozny type scenario with T-72's/BMPS/BTRS with lots of artillery battling it out with guerrilla types. How about 80's afghanistan? The Russian equipment is there - and the environment is right for the job. I wish I had more time to do some map making. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelmia Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 Yup. I'm trying to find the USMC report on the initial Grozny attack... it was on the internet a while ago... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jomni Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 Too bad you won't have the Russian Spetsnatz modeled in the game. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imported_Major_Jerkov Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 Originally posted by jomni: Too bad you won't have the Russian Spetsnatz modeled in the game. They pwn schoolchildren. I wish they were in. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
molotov_billy Posted August 2, 2007 Author Share Posted August 2, 2007 Originally posted by jomni: Too bad you won't have the Russian Spetsnatz modeled in the game. The syrians have some type of special forces, don't they? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
molotov_billy Posted August 2, 2007 Author Share Posted August 2, 2007 Originally posted by thelmia: Yup. I'm trying to find the USMC report on the initial Grozny attack... it was on the internet a while ago... Good to hear! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieme(ITA) Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 There are spec forces for Syria 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
track Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 I remember that when I earlier on suggested Chechnya/Grozny kind of setting for the game in these forums I got lynched by an angry mob claiming that they were not real fights. Well I suggest you study near history a little more... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 thelmia, Anything like these? Lessons From Grozny http://www.smallwarsjournal.com/documents/mccafferty.pdf Grozny and the Third Block http://www.ccc.nps.navy.mil/research/theses/kelly00.asp Tactical Observations from the Grozny Experience http://www.smallwarsjournal.com/documents/jenkinson.pdf Grozny 2000 http://leav-www.army.mil/fmso/documents/grozny2000/grozny2000.htm Russian Lessons Learned from the Battle of Grozny http://leav-www.army.mil/fmso/documents/Rusn_leslrn.htm Regards, John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
molotov_billy Posted August 2, 2007 Author Share Posted August 2, 2007 excellent info, thanks john 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Becket Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 Originally posted by molotov_billy: Anyone making red on red scenarios? I'd like to see what MOUT is like without all the fancy US gizmos and uber armor. I'm playing red on red MOUT right now in PBEM, using a shipped scenario. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Ruddy Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 Originally posted by molotov_billy: Anyone making red on red scenarios? Yes, I am planning on building mainly Red on Red or Violet on Violet! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nidan1 Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 What amazed me in reading the last link that John provided, was that the Russians allowed the Chechens in Grozny to do everything to them that they the Red Army did to the Germans in Stalingrad, Kharkov and other large cities during WW2. Some say that the Americans lost the Vietnam War because of the guerilla tactics of the VC and the supurb small unit infantry tactics used by the North Vietnamese Army. Yet America had a long history of fighting guerilla wars...against the Southwest and Plains Indians, and against the Moros in the Phillipines. This is off topic I know, but it seems that military forces do not always absorb the lessons they have already learned, and are arrogant and closed minded to the fact that small countries can cause great military troubles to the so called superpowers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
track Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 Time passes, generations change, important things get forgotten, because they were not used for decades. Then all the sudden the same kind of crisis strikes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dima Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 "60 Hours of Maikop Brigade" scenario would be something! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
track Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 You need also somehow to get BTR-80s and T-80s into game to make these scenarios. Is CMSF modable? Seemed like the put all inside one file. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dima Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 Originally posted by track: Time passes, generations change, important things get forgotten, because they were not used for decades. Then all the sudden the same kind of crisis strikes. Not forgotten, just the wrong people (Pavel Grachev) were in command. They didn't call him "Pashka Mercedes" for no reason. The way it was done was totally against every rule in the book. And these rules were laid down way back during WW2. Chechen second war was overall fought a lot better by russians. Proper recon, proper arty and air support. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 Talk about things being forgotten, I just read today the U.S. Army COHORT system of unit integration that had won such praise in the 80s has been largely dismantled. I was under the impression the Army at least was doing a decent job of keeping units together through training and deployment. Has COHORT really become yesterday's 'big idea'? According to this author, though a COHORT Division was judged 3 times as effective as a traditionally trained/deployed U.S. Division it did not fit in with longstanding career officer advancement benchmarks. COHORT commanders were supposedly being screwed career-track-wise. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
track Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 All it takes is a bunch of staff officers who did not pay attention during the lectures of tactics and military history. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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