vetacon Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 link Only joking obvioulsy, but travelling on an Apache's wings is pretty extraordinary. Doesn't say a lot for the readiness of the British Army though. [ January 22, 2007, 12:20 PM: Message edited by: vetacon ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YankeeDog Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 Great googly moogly. That's brass balls for ya. And ya; Apaches are a very good attack helicopter, but obviously a much less effective troop transport; is it really true that the British Armed forces has absolutely no kind of VTOL light troop transport hardy enough for use in a combat environment? That would be a very serious procurement oversight. . . Cheers, YD 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmar Bijlsma Posted January 22, 2007 Share Posted January 22, 2007 Medals all around. A VC perhaps? YD, does anyone have a armoured light helicopter? Don't think a Blackhawk or MD500 would be sturdy enough, and a Hind I suspect would be a bit big. vetacon, thanks for posting, but would you mind fixing the link? It's fuxxoring the forum readability fr anyone not running a 2048x1536 monitor. Like this. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YankeeDog Posted January 22, 2007 Share Posted January 22, 2007 EB -- Note, I said "Light Troop Transport," not "Light Helicopter." To wit, I would consider the Blackhawk, which is fairly well armored as rotary wing aircraft go, a medium/heavy helicopter, but a light troop transport. . . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soddball Posted January 22, 2007 Share Posted January 22, 2007 Originally posted by YankeeDog: Great googly moogly. That's brass balls for ya. And ya; Apaches are a very good attack helicopter, but obviously a much less effective troop transport; is it really true that the British Armed forces has absolutely no kind of VTOL light troop transport hardy enough for use in a combat environment? That would be a very serious procurement oversight. . . Cheers, YD Yah, well, welcome to the MOD's procurement policy. This year they've spent £2.3Bn on new offices (including £1,000 per comfy office chair) and £47.19 on equipment for the armed forces. Wankers. :mad: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wicky Posted January 22, 2007 Share Posted January 22, 2007 Whatever happened to the Lynx chopper after they proved not to be a threat to Penguins? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmar Bijlsma Posted January 22, 2007 Share Posted January 22, 2007 Unarmoured? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamingknives Posted January 22, 2007 Share Posted January 22, 2007 Personally, I'd not trust any helicopter to be armoured enough to deliberately fly into small arms fire. They're full of single-point failure components. If Lynx was considered to be sturdy enough for Attack Helicopter work, I don't see why it should be that much less suitable than surfing an Apache. There were quite a few Lynx at one point. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vetacon Posted January 22, 2007 Author Share Posted January 22, 2007 vetacon, thanks for posting, but would you mind fixing the link? It's fuxxoring the forum readability fr anyone not running a 2048x1536 monitor. Like this. [/QB]Err, excuse my ignorance Elmar, how do I do it?!! Sorry for being such an HTML halfwit 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamingknives Posted January 22, 2007 Share Posted January 22, 2007 Click on the icon that looks a bit like a pen and paper (the edit button) On the screen that this brings up, there are a number of buttons below the text box. Click the one labeled "URL". Paste your link where indicated and then enter a word to be the link. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted January 22, 2007 Share Posted January 22, 2007 It's easy to do by pressing the button. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vetacon Posted January 22, 2007 Author Share Posted January 22, 2007 Done. Thanks for the demo Sergei and flamingknives. Always wondered how to do that 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted January 22, 2007 Share Posted January 22, 2007 I can't tell you how long it took me to figure out how to include links & pictures. Now there's no stopping me - except I still don't known what those 'LIST' buttons do down there: </font>This is a test This is a test</font> Um, it just indents and adds a bullet? :confused: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vetacon Posted January 22, 2007 Author Share Posted January 22, 2007 Originally posted by flamingknives: If Lynx was considered to be sturdy enough for Attack Helicopter work, I don't see why it should be that much less suitable than surfing an Apache. There were quite a few Lynx at one point. From what I can discern from the British Army website, the only transport helicopters deployed in theatre are Chinooks. I understand Lynxes are still used but I don't know in what capacity, and in any event it appears that none are in Afghanistan. It would be interesting to hear what someone in the know has to add. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wicky Posted January 22, 2007 Share Posted January 22, 2007 http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/article1873845.ece The fourth type of helicopter in service with British forces in Afghanistan, the Lynx, has no tactical lift capacity, but is useful for reconnaissance and carrying commanders from point to point. But they have proved unsuited to the extreme conditions in southern Afghanistan, where the intense heat in midsummer prevented them from being flown during the daytime, and their engines were damaged by dust and grit.Odd as the Lynx was certainly used in N. Ireland in shifting troops around. Plus the Apache engines are just as prone to often needing engine/rotor blade replacements for overhauling approx for every 30 hours flying time in Afghanistan AFAIK. Possibly the Apaches are receiving the highest maintenance priority. I'll ask at Wattisham where UK Apaches are based to see what the story is. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Posted January 23, 2007 Share Posted January 23, 2007 It probably does not have enough spare lift in the high altitudes of Afghanistan. Them not being able to fly at all in hot&high could be an indication of that. Northern Ireland is quite low, so the situation is not comparable. All the best Andreas 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrcar Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 Correct. That is why you see so many chinooks used in Afganistan, the hot high conditions severely limit all the others. MI-17's are okay... Cheers Rob 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wicky Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 My chopper chum concurs In comparison with the Lynx: "The Apache does have a much more powerful engine that allows it to operate in the high temperatures and a better filtration system on the engines to reduce the erosion on the intake blades." 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 "That is why you see so many chinooks used in Afganistan" I'm a bit (a lot) out-of-the-loop on this topic. Am I correct in believinig that Chinook's production line has been closed down for decades now? That what we've got is all we'll get? One assumes between very high service use and occassional combat losses the fleet would gradually get whittled down to nothin' - and without a comparable replacement on the horizon. Maybe we'll then start leasing those big Russian M-26 helos from just across the border. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 ISTR that the Apaches had a terrible time in Yugoslavia because of altitude issues there, so bad that they were basically reduced to nonentities. Believe I read that in ARMED FORCES JOURNAL INTERNATIONAL. Regards, John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamingknives Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 Chinook Plus the British version of the Apache has more powerful engines. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 Ah, I AM out of date on the Chinook! I knew there was a major upgrade in the works but I didn't realise new airframes of the old beast were being built as well. I'm assuming the seventeen 'new' CM-47Fs mentioned in that link should be considered a 'foot-in-the-door' for when it comes time to consider replacing our soon-to-be worn-out helo force. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Dorosh Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 I believe Canada is thinking about re-equipping with Chinooks also? I know our troops have ridden in lots of American ones in Afghanistan. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamingknives Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 AIUI, the Canadians have also been using the Dutch Chinooks, which the Canadian Govt. sold to the Dutch a few years back. Last I checked, the Canadians were looking to buy more. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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