John DiFool the 2nd Posted April 18, 2004 Share Posted April 18, 2004 One of the screenies definitely shows a Russian paratrooper (with his deflated chute billowing out behind him). Interesting. I know some here have pooh-poohed the concept of paras in SC2, saying that the scale is too large. Well, that may be true, but certainly the fun/surprise factor might make them worthwhile? John DiFool [ April 18, 2004, 04:11 PM: Message edited by: John DiFool the 2nd ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraigRS Posted April 18, 2004 Share Posted April 18, 2004 I like the idea and think they will add some strategy elements. I do agree though that it really doesn't fit in withe the scale of SC. If you were to tell me the units are division size and bregade size then they fit very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_j_rambo Posted April 18, 2004 Share Posted April 18, 2004 You kidding me? USA paratroops rock! Yes, there size is small but they fight big! 82nd Airborne 101st Airborne Salute! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl G. E. von Mannerheim Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 Originally posted by jon_j_rambo: You kidding me? USA paratroops rock! Yes, there size is small but they fight big! 82nd Airborne 101st Airborne Salute! Dont forget the Invasion of Crete, All paras.. oh, and the British 1st and 6th Para divs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_j_rambo Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 Easy Company, we Band of Brothers. Poles had some too, at least they did in the movie Bride Too Far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzeh Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 The Polish Paratroop brigade was slaughtered because of an awful LZ, though they did a good bit of fighting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraigRS Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 I don't think anyone will question the quality or bravery of the troops but do they fit in a game of this scale and scope? I say no but they will add to the fun never the less!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blashy Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 I don't see why not, the map is bigger and I'm sure they'll work out fine, if not HC his cronies would not have put them in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sombra Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 Who knows if they have a strengh of 1-2 points corps (1000-2000 soldiers?... )They could be used to secure positions , annoy the enemy. With the risk of "landing looses" they could get lost durinr the landing operation... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 Paras, interesting Topic someone should bring up. They put them in Axis & Allies on that scale! Woohoo!! they just do it cause it's fun, like Rockets. I'm sure that Paras played a bigger role than Rockets. If for nothing else they were the cream of the crop and after their landings and Specialized Missions they fought on with the other existing troops. In fact Some of the Paras that have been made famous are from my local town here, Ft. Bragg. 82nd 101st... They created tactics of their own for West Pointers to Follow During the opening D-Day. You saw the Show, "Band of Brothers" Of Course they're rather small in #s. Though I was sure Germans put a Corpsize of Paras on Crete? Or Close enough and During Market Garden probably a tiny Corpsize into LC? They should compliment regular troops... Perhaps you could attach them after supply disruption to a MainBody Army to increase it's Readiness, effectiveness and Experience. Plus Partisans in many places had no more FirePower or Disruptive capability, just one was used more than the other cause it was cheap. I say add em, or get rid of Rockets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 "I'm sure that Paras played a bigger role than Rockets. If for nothing else they were". Not in Russia, mate. Ask any German who got a got a full truckload of rockets on his head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill101 Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 Nor anywhere else - being on the receiving end of a full barrelload of Nebelwerfers wasn't the place to be either. However, rockets in SC appear to me to represent not the Katushka and Nebelwerfer, but the V1 and V2. I had always thought them a waste of time until I read the book "Last Year of the Luftwaffe". The author argued that their nuisance value in bombing London and the south east made the allies divert a disproportionate effort to deal with their launching sites, thus saving some more important Axis units and resources from a good pounding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ev Posted May 6, 2004 Share Posted May 6, 2004 Originally posted by CraigRS: I don't think anyone will question the quality or bravery of the troops but do they fit in a game of this scale and scope? I say no but they will add to the fun never the less!! During WWII, non of the combatants developed full fledge paratroop armies. US, GB, Ge, Russia, and even Italy, and even the free poles had paratroop regiments, brigades, or divisions. But they were never organized into paratroop armies as would be represented in SC2. However... they could have. And I guess the interesting question to present to the players of SC2 is: "what if?" What if Germany had used a full paratroop army to support the attack on the Low Countries? What if Russia had used a full paratroop army to envelop Army Group Center. Or Germany had used a paratroop army behind Kursk to make a larger, deeper pocket avoiding the Russian main defense line? I am 100% for paratroops in SC2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desert Dave Posted May 6, 2004 Share Posted May 6, 2004 I am 100% for paratroops in SC2. Well, good thing, because you shall indeed have them! :cool: I do recall that little WW2 story about German sky-assaulters dropping "potato mashers" down through the vents of those fortifications in Belgium... what was the name? Ebba Eban or some fool thing. As a general approach to this whole schematic of having "wrong sized" or "irrelevant" combat units, I would say this: Para are NOT Armies. They are not even Corps. They are a specialty unit that performs a special function and mission. It simply does NOT MATTER how you OOB them or how you count the rapt Student noses. This is ALL a magical mystery tour, in which, whether you are related to Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds, or attached to some billowing nylon as it drops to a sometimes receptive Earth, you are... IMMERSED in a WW2 atmosphere. :cool: It IS... a a war game re-enactment, though not PERFECTLY so because it never could be. No matter if you studied history books from now until Alpha clashed with Omega. Paratroops and Engineers and anything else YOU would like to stick in there... fits EXACTLY and really truly "romantically" ... into this GS WW2 game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeaMonkey Posted May 7, 2004 Share Posted May 7, 2004 ev, Check your history books, Jan. 1945, 1rst Allied Airborne Army,....for corps size I believe it was 18th Airborne Corps, 101rst, 82nd and 17th AB divisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roosevelt45 Posted May 8, 2004 Share Posted May 8, 2004 I do recall that little WW2 story about German sky-assaulters dropping "potato mashers" down through the vents of those fortifications in Belgium... what was the name? Ebba Eban or some fool thing. That would be Eben Emael. It was the biggest fortress in Belgium(which doesn't mean anything of course but anyway) and was supposed to stop the germans for a few months until the French or the British could send reinforcements. Well.... Eben Emael was indeed attacked by German paratroopers and was under full German control after 6 hours. Tsss, the pride of the country, my ass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Posted May 9, 2004 Share Posted May 9, 2004 Katushka Rockets would be classified as Artillery not Strategic flying Bombs. Paras were a direct precision weapon. I live about 20 minutes from the Airborne Museum and couple Minutes away from 82nd Airborne HQs.. Come visit, there is history in their role. If nothing else they were 'fine troopers' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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