JadamoW Posted October 22, 2002 Share Posted October 22, 2002 So I'm playing the Wittman in the East scenario. (You know you suck when...), and I decide to advance 2 VIEs on the right thru a tiny village. (the Huts) Now the VIEs are huge, they're easily as big as these tiny huts. So do they drive into the huts rendering them into match sticks?!?!?Noooooo...they have to do the crazy chicken trying to fit inbetween them instead. So what gives...why don't these steel goliaths simply 'roll on over'? Which brings another question...in WWII (and not including Kelly's Heroes), how often did tanks go smashing though buildings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cameroon Posted October 22, 2002 Share Posted October 22, 2002 Actually, this has come up and basically a tank trying to drive through a house was likely to fall into the basement, throw a track or suffer other mechanical problems. Maybe there's no basement in a hut, but from my reading on this forum, I gather that tanks driving through houses was not a great idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akdavis Posted October 22, 2002 Share Posted October 22, 2002 In WWII you could drive your tank over as many huts as you wanted...if you didn't mind throwing tracks all the time. I've heard of cases where tanks were used to collapse exterior walls of structures, but actually driving through rubble of a collapsed building would be asking for an immobilization. One thing you might check is what visual scale (SHIFT + C) your units are displaying at. If the scale is set above realistic, your tanks will appear larger than they actually are. At realistic scale, they probably won't dwarf those huts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanonier Reichmann Posted October 22, 2002 Share Posted October 22, 2002 Damn! When I saw the title I thought for a moment that BFC included a Jabba the Hut unit for the Soviets. Regards Jim R. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParaBellum Posted October 22, 2002 Share Posted October 22, 2002 Unteroffizier Wittmann didn't believe his eyes when suddenly Jabba the Hutt, kingpin of crime in the outer Rim territories appeared in front of his Tiger north of Belgorod... [ October 23, 2002, 07:38 AM: Message edited by: ParaBellum ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pvt. Ryan Posted October 22, 2002 Share Posted October 22, 2002 I read it as Topic: Pizza Hut. Can a Tiger go to a drive thru Pizza Hut? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Dorosh Posted October 22, 2002 Share Posted October 22, 2002 There is reference to this in one of the GD illustrated histories. The manuals instructed tanks NOT to be used as bulldozers, since it could cause damage to such things as gun optics and other important equipment - throwing tracks has been mentioned. In action, you did what you thought you had to do of course. A small hut wouldn't present as much of an obstacle - but there was still the problem of jamming the driver's periscope with debris, and having to stop the tank to manually clear the obstruction - a tank driver can barely see as it is without a chunk of roof in front of his periscope... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Dorosh Posted October 22, 2002 Share Posted October 22, 2002 Originally posted by ParaBellum: Unteroffizier Wittmann didn't believe his eyes when suddenly Jabba the Hutt, kingpin of crime in the outer Rim territories appeared in front of his Tiger north of Belgorod... Jabba has such a slow turret, it's too bad Mikey didn't catch him from the flank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartokomus Posted October 22, 2002 Share Posted October 22, 2002 "I read it as Topic: Pizza Hut. Can a Tiger go to a drive thru Pizza Hut?" More importantly, how long for a Tiger to deliver FROM Pizza Hut? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingfish Posted October 22, 2002 Share Posted October 22, 2002 Originally posted by Pvt. Ryan: I read it as Topic: Pizza Hut. Can a Tiger go to a drive thru Pizza Hut?Talk about bogging! Get a large 3-cheese supreme caught in the tracks and you ain't going anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pvt. Ryan Posted October 22, 2002 Share Posted October 22, 2002 While reading "Sergeant in the Snow" I saw many references to isbas, which are small peasant shacks. Can anyone post a picture of what these looked like? How big were they and how were they constructed? I found a picture. See the last one on this page: http://www.gri.it/gallery/piechi/ I don't think I would want to drive a tank through that. [ October 22, 2002, 09:32 AM: Message edited by: Pvt. Ryan ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParaBellum Posted October 22, 2002 Share Posted October 22, 2002 Originally posted by Michael Dorosh: Jabba has such a slow turret, it's too bad Mikey didn't catch him from the flank.Actually when Jabba turned tail and ran away Micha got him with rear penetration. You should've seen Jabba's face... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JadamoW Posted October 23, 2002 Author Share Posted October 23, 2002 Originally posted by Pvt. Ryan: I found a picture. See the last one on this page: http://www.gri.it/gallery/piechi/ I don't think I would want to drive a tank through that.I don't think I'd drive thru that either...but I might be tempted to take out a corner if I were in a rush! Thanks for the info all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JadamoW Posted October 23, 2002 Author Share Posted October 23, 2002 Originally posted by Michael Dorosh: A small hut wouldn't present as much of an obstacle - but there was still the problem of jamming the driver's periscope with debris, and having to stop the tank to manually clear the obstruction - a tank driver can barely see as it is without a chunk of roof in front of his periscope...Ahhhh...I see...or maybe peperoni and cheese I can understand why this wouldn't e a common event. Thanks for the info. [ October 23, 2002, 12:35 AM: Message edited by: JadamoW ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarmo Posted October 23, 2002 Share Posted October 23, 2002 Originally posted by Bartokomus: "I read it as Topic: Pizza Hut. Can a Tiger go to a drive thru Pizza Hut?" More importantly, how long for a Tiger to deliver FROM Pizza Hut? I'd buy a pizza if they delivered with Tigers. Cold or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Dorosh Posted October 23, 2002 Share Posted October 23, 2002 Just read this is SOLDAT by Siegfried Knappe - the peasant huts he encountered in Russia were small and flimsy, however, the centrepiece of these one room shacks were large brick ovens - they had a brick surface on top that stored heat during the day, and during the night, the family would sleep on top of this warm brick stove. It would present a fairly substantial obstacle to a vehicle attempting to run through the shack, I would presume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted October 23, 2002 Share Posted October 23, 2002 Originally posted by Jarmo: I'd buy a pizza if they delivered with Tigers. Cold or not.It'd make a mess of your driveway though. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terence Posted October 23, 2002 Share Posted October 23, 2002 Two words guys: Root Cellar. If your tank falls into that, the least of your problems is a thrown track. [ October 23, 2002, 03:07 PM: Message edited by: Terence ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mittins Posted October 23, 2002 Share Posted October 23, 2002 There have been many stories of tanks backing into a house for cover...and many pictures to back the stories up. Tanks just don't go driving into a house at whim, the tank commander would be supported by infantry who would check out the house for dangers like cellers etc. Houses make up of wood and bricks are nothing a tank can't handle when backing in slowly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted October 23, 2002 Share Posted October 23, 2002 I suspect driving into/through a house would require at least some recon first, to check out the placement of the rubble at least. Doesn't sound like a spur-of-the-moment event (though I've heard some grizzly tales in this regard involving drunken U.S. tankers in Vietnam). I'm reminded of the anecdote in "Pershing" by Hunnicutt. A Tiger knocks out a Pershing as it stands back-lit against a fire at night. The Tiger tries to back away but gets hung-up in building rubble and has to be abandoned. That sounds like an expensive mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine59 Posted October 23, 2002 Share Posted October 23, 2002 Anyone notice in "Wittman in the East" that the german units are all Heer rather than SS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yggdrasill Posted October 23, 2002 Share Posted October 23, 2002 Originally posted by Terence: Two words guys: Root Cellar. If your tank falls into that, the least of your problems is a thrown track.What problem? Can you say "dug in"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Hyle Posted October 23, 2002 Share Posted October 23, 2002 I think there is a reason that the accounts of using a building as an ambush blind tend to refer to barns - no basement, flimsy walls - more often than houses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted October 23, 2002 Share Posted October 23, 2002 Originally posted by Nick Hyle: I think there is a reason that the accounts of using a building as an ambush blind tend to refer to barns - no basement, flimsy walls - more often than houses.And barns usually have doors large enough to permit a vehicle to drive in without smashing through the walls. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Dorosh Posted October 23, 2002 Share Posted October 23, 2002 I don't know if I agree that hey have huge doors on them, though I am no expert on Russian architecture. It seems to me that combines and giant harvesters are decidedy postwar. The barns I've seen in period photos of France, for example, have very small doors - big enough for a horse and cart. Some of the buildings in local "heritage parks" here in Canada also have barns with small doors and windows... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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