Louie the Toad Posted December 19, 2001 Share Posted December 19, 2001 In the scenario I have a King Tiger (never used one before). In one turn the KT moved Fast Forward about 70m , managed to avoid damage from two aircraft dropping bombs 3 near misses (craters within 10 meters), went another 20 or 30m on Hunt. As it moved, the turret rotated across about 150 degrees. The KT then fired one shot at a HT = hit/kill at 100m and then the turret rotated back another 20 degrees or maybe 30 and took out a kangaroo with a second shot at about 120m. The turret then rotated in the same direction another 20 degrees or so and is aimed at more of my opponent's armor as the 60 seconds were reached. I believe the crew is Elite. Anyway the longest it has ever paused before following an order is 3 seconds. So, am I lucky? Is this the usual expectation when playing with an Elite KT ? I normally play vanilla. Not hot fudge with cherries and whipped cream. I told him I would ask. Curious and smiling Toad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kburns24 Posted December 19, 2001 Share Posted December 19, 2001 Elite units respond to orders almost immediately, 3 seconds is the delay time to complete orders. This is legit, BTW, are you guys letting the computer pick your forces? That was a stroke of luck getting an Elite KT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louie the Toad Posted December 19, 2001 Author Share Posted December 19, 2001 Dear KB24 No this was a pre made scenario which I will not reveal unless I first post a spoiler notice. My opponent was thinking I am sure, that the traverse of the turret was supposed to be slow and getting off two shots was too many. My tank was buttoned too. Still smiling Toad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kburns24 Posted December 19, 2001 Share Posted December 19, 2001 I broke out my CM book and looked up the experience section. It doesn't really say much about the Elite units, but I do know that they have faster reloading times, better accuracy, and they tend to fight better overall. If you ever play the Villers-Bocage scenario try the German side. Michael Wittman is an Elite German Tiger commander in that historical scenario, I've kicked major Brit A$$ in that scenario. I don't think that your turret traverse is going to be any faster just because the unit is Elite, but I could be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpl Carrot Posted December 19, 2001 Share Posted December 19, 2001 The traverse time should remain constant regards of experience - unless Elite crews hot wire the turret motors a la Home Improvement Your big bonus is your spotting rate, time to lay on target, reload times etc. Three rounds seems OK to me. BTW it is the right of all oppenents to whine and bemoan their oppenent during a battle. See pg 52 of the manual for details Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoffel Posted December 19, 2001 Share Posted December 19, 2001 He is lucky than Not long ago I lost 6 tanks and a HT against a crack Pak 40 in 45 seconds,not one shot missed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwolf Posted December 19, 2001 Share Posted December 19, 2001 Also, your opponent should understand that the elite tank be be an enourmous risk for you. If it gets knocked out, the damage for your victory score is enourmous. Same applies for the crew, you definitivly don't want to use it for recon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moriarty Posted December 20, 2001 Share Posted December 20, 2001 In a 60-second turn the rotation of the King Tiger turret of 150 degrees, give or take few, is about right. In one scenario, my KT was squared off against a 76mm M4 with the turret facing absolutely the wrong way. Because of an obstruction, it began turning the long way to its opponent. The M-4 bounced 4 shots off the frontal armor before killing the KT. The short of this story is that in the 60 seconds, the KT turret rotated just over a third of the way ... about 150 degrees, give or take. And an elite crew can get 2 shots off in a minute. In short, the answer to your question is: No. Tell him to quit complaining and get back to losing all his AFVs. [ 12-19-2001: Message edited by: Moriarty ]</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lars Posted December 20, 2001 Share Posted December 20, 2001 Mars has smiled upon you, enjoy it while you can. You'll be back to whining yourself soon enough! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moriarty Posted December 20, 2001 Share Posted December 20, 2001 <blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Lars: Mars has smiled upon you, enjoy it while you can. You'll be back to whining yourself soon enough!<hr></blockquote> Louie, you never mentioned you were tangling with a Cesspudlian. In that case, whining is completely acceptable and expected ... but watch your back. [ 12-19-2001: Message edited by: Moriarty ]</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lars Posted December 20, 2001 Share Posted December 20, 2001 No, tis not I he's engaged with. I'm just feeling a little pissy because I just walked into a panzerscheck trap and lost 3 Shermans. And I was gloating so well too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moriarty Posted December 20, 2001 Share Posted December 20, 2001 Oops, my bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonC Posted December 21, 2001 Share Posted December 21, 2001 Anyone facing an elite King Tiger has a legitimate gripe. "Why me?" Anyone who kills an elite King Tiger may legitimately croon. "I'm the greatest!" Anyone who has an elite King Tiger has legitimate cause to feel himself an unworthy favorite son of fortune. "What did I ever do to deserve this?" Anyone who loses an elite King Tiger has legitimate cause for shame. "How the heck did I mess this one up"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louie the Toad Posted December 24, 2001 Author Share Posted December 24, 2001 Dear Moriarty, Tangling with my regular pbem opponent. I know he is not a cesspoolian. He is not even on the forum. Thankful Toad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goanna Posted December 24, 2001 Share Posted December 24, 2001 The short answer is, no. He is a huge wuss and should be called out as such. Then, in later games when he gets the KT or Super Pershing, you should deny all knowledge of your earlier discussion of the performance of the KT in your hands and point out that he is a centre-hugging gamey SOB. [ 12-24-2001: Message edited by: Goanna ]</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Harrison Posted December 28, 2001 Share Posted December 28, 2001 Sounds okay to me. Those ranges for a crew of that magnitude should be no problem. ESPECIALLY when you are in a King Tiger; the gunners hands shake a lot more in a Sherman tank. Elite tank crews should by all means be feared, but they die just the same as the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Petrovsky Posted December 28, 2001 Share Posted December 28, 2001 Tell your opponent to shut up. NOBODY likes to lose, but it happens. Bad luck happens in life just as it does in CM. I count on bad luck happening to me in games. I find if I count on luck in certain situations I lose. I don't even think luck was involved with your situation, that is one bad ass tank you have there. I can't stand it when opponents piss and moan about a turn not going their way, or even worse when they just quit on you only to be never heard from again. I don't like to lose just as much as the next guy, but I'll never resort to pissing and moaning about it. In addition, every loss I've suffered I've learned a very valuable lesson that I never forget. You don't become a better player from winning, you get better by taking your lumps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenSplatton Posted January 1, 2002 Share Posted January 1, 2002 <blockquote>quote:</font><hr> You don't become a better player from winning, you get better by taking your lumps. <hr></blockquote>I just get more lumps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berlichtingen Posted January 1, 2002 Share Posted January 1, 2002 See the sig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiggDogg Posted January 1, 2002 Share Posted January 1, 2002 Petrovsky, Excellently put & quite correct. We all learn from winning, but especially from losing. I'll whine (cabernet cauvignon or chardonney) a bit when I come across a human made scenario & they get uber cats & I am not given something to easily take them out, like tungsten. :eek: But I'll carry on & have my Greyhounds bite the bogie wheels of those uber monsters. I'll be more inventive & ultimately a better player this way. Also, go to the Band Of Brothers web site & join. You will enjoy. You have the right attitude. Happy New Year & Cheers to All, Richard :cool: :cool: :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CombinedArms Posted January 6, 2002 Share Posted January 6, 2002 Anyway, losing an HT and Kangaroo to a KT is to be expected and pretty small potatoes. He now knows where your KT is at a pretty cheap cost. What happens next is what matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CombinedArms Posted January 6, 2002 Share Posted January 6, 2002 Anyway, losing an HT and Kangaroo to a KT is to be expected and pretty small potatoes. He now knows where your KT is at a pretty cheap cost. What happens next is what matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louie the Toad Posted January 7, 2002 Author Share Posted January 7, 2002 Well as it turned out that was pretty much his last gasp. My KT ended up immobilized by aircraft but located across his axis of attack so he was s.o.l.. I did get to see the KT use its hand grenade thrower capability at close range to knock out two more halftracks while the main gun took on infantry at longer range. I won. Satisfied Toad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrik_L Posted January 13, 2002 Share Posted January 13, 2002 Hi Toad, Regarding firing frquency for tanks, I can mention that I have during my military career been in a Leopard 1A4 sqadron. The 1A4 had a manual system for measuring distances, and the gun was manually loaded. Even though 3 target were hit between 800 and 1500 meters from a stationary Leopard within 10 seconds. 2 Targets from a moving KT is not unrealistic, even though the gun for most WWII tanks was not gyrostabilized (I don't know if the KT's were) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts